Jubbs Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: to not be able to get what he wanted from Rooney/the players You mean, overweight, unfit and uninterested Rooney that played woefully last season? Rooney that clearly wanted the manager's job so got his agent to help churn out articles in the Daily Fail etc saying he was going to be the next manager? Who would that help other than Rooney? Bubbles, RadioactiveWaste, S8TY and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Just now, Jubbs said: You mean, overweight, unfit and uninterested Rooney that played woefully last season? Rooney that clearly wanted the manager's job so got his agent to help churn out articles in the Daily Fail etc saying he was going to be the next manager? Who would that help other than Rooney? Yeah. Cocu kept picking him and you say he didn't want to lose his job?! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubbs Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Yeah. Cocu kept picking him and you say he didn't want to lose his job?! ? Or, Cocu was being forced to play him due to contractual obligations in Rooney's contract. Therefore he didn't want to lose his job as disobeying those obligations would cause him to lose his job... jimtastic56 and Yani P 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Just now, Jubbs said: Or, Cocu was being forced to play him due to contractual obligations in Rooney's contract. Therefore he didn't want to lose his job as disobeying those obligations would cause him to lose his job... Occam's razor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Yeah. Cocu kept picking him and you say he didn't want to lose his job?! ? Why do you see Rooney as any better than Cocu ...I accept you didn't like Cocu that is obvious...you were very quiet when we played well and always found fault yet Rooney with a worse record and seemingly devoid of any direction/progress can do no wrong ?? Why ? 1 win in 15 games was woeful against some pretty poor teams as well Jourdan, jimtastic56, Jubbs and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, S8TY said: Why do you see Rooney as any better than Cocu ...I accept you didn't like Cocu that is obvious...you were very quiet when we played well and always found fault yet Rooney with a worse record and seemingly devoid of any direction/progress can do no wrong ?? Why ? 1 win in 15 games was woeful against some pretty poor teams as well For the last time. When Rooney has had a pre-season and some opportunity to sign/loan players then judge him. S8TY and BBG83 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, S8TY said: Why do you see Rooney as any better than Cocu ...I accept you didn't like Cocu that is obvious...you were very quiet when we played well and always found fault yet Rooney with a worse record and seemingly devoid of any direction/progress can do no wrong ?? Why ? 1 win in 15 games was woeful against some pretty poor teams as well I liked Cocu but let’s not forget the clamour to get rid of him. I distinctly remember posting don’t sack Cocu because Rooney will become Manager . As it happens I like Rooney and I think he’s done ok with a poor hand . The club is in turmoil due to EFL charges and failed takeovers and thats the real problem The word victimisation comes to mind Edited June 30, 2021 by Curtains Spelling change from American to English Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Just now, RoyMac5 said: For the last time. When Rooney has had a pre-season and some opportunity to sign/loan players then judge him. You didn't cut Cocu any slack for a rushed pre season where he had to evaluate all of the players then got given players who seemed not to fit Dowell for example ...but Rooney gets a full pre season and players before he's judged?? and he's had enough time to have at least got some form of playing style but instead we try to match teams like Rovrum up !! ....astonishing!!!! lets move on !!! jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, S8TY said: You didn't cut Cocu any slack for a rushed pre season where he had to evaluate all of the players then got given players who seemed not to fit Dowell for example ...but Rooney gets a full pre season and players before he's judged?? and he's had enough time to have at least got some form of playing style but instead we try to match teams like Rovrum up !! ....astonishing!!!! lets move on !!! But you haven't. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, S8TY said: And yes if he was able to bring in a bit more quality who could understand his philosophy we may well have seen better progress, I do always think it's funny our poor results were put down Cocu's methods leaving the players confused, the methods too difficult for them to grasp, too complicated, boring etc These very same players (baring a couple of swap-outs) seemed perfectly able to grasp the methods from January to July when we won ten and drew 4 of 17 games (we night even have scored in every one of those games, I can't remember exactly), with the inclusion of Martin & a fitter Rooney. I also find the talk of Cocu being unwilling to listen and being too stubborn funny when it was him doing the complete opposite of that which lead directly to his downfall. The change in approach from the Norwich game... yes I know we won it, but it was 1 game... based on listening to the players caused more problems then it solved, really Cocu should have stuck to his guns - changing it up only added to the confusion and he kind of undermined himself at a time others were perfectly happy to do it for him. Rooney is praised for simplifying things, but that had already started - by the end of the season we were so dumbed down that, well, I don't even need to say anything further, the results speak for themselves. Edited June 30, 2021 by Coconut rynny, S8TY, LeedsCityRam and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetle Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 We saw the benefit of matching how other teams play last night. I think the players are not up to it and if we cannot get better ones in this year and get Bielik fit we'll go down with whoever is in charge. BBG83 and jimtastic56 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 1 hour ago, S8TY said: Why do you see Rooney as any better than Cocu ...I accept you didn't like Cocu that is obvious...you were very quiet when we played well and always found fault yet Rooney with a worse record and seemingly devoid of any direction/progress can do no wrong ?? Why ? 1 win in 15 games was woeful against some pretty poor teams as well 1 win in 16 games..... LeedsCityRam, jimtastic56 and S8TY 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 On 29/06/2021 at 09:54, jimtastic56 said: I was talking to Cocu in B n Q last night. He was in his joggers , he said He would have got us in the play-offs if Mel had not have brought Wazza in to undermine him and he is not leaving Derby till he gets his £8 mill payoff. Then I woke up. You woke up in B & Q? Impressive. jimtastic56, Steve How Hard? and S8TY 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 6 hours ago, rynny said: No I didn't say that. Rooney was meant to help with communicating what Cocu wanted, if the message wasn't clear then Rooney should have said something. As Rooney said himself, he was the link between the management and the players. So if the players were confused why hasn't it been said to Cocu, Twan and Chris that they didn't understand, why didn't the players say to Rooney we don't understand, what didn't Rooney say that they didn't understand? I could see what we were trying to do under Cocu, I could see what the plan was, but he got dealt a poo hand, didn't have a proper pre season with the squad, he didn't have a proper transfer window and was hampered by injuries to key players. The players he bought were nearly all improvements on who they replaced. The youth players were managed correctly, and were improving consistently, when the football clicked last season it was brilliant to watch, at times it didn't and it was slow and ponderous and frustrating, but that annoyed Cocu as much as the fans. Everyone sees what they want to see, you didn't like Cocu but you do Rooney, I liked Cocu but not Rooney. Rooney could change my mind but Cocu will never change yours now, unless he was crazy enough to come back (which won't happen). Can't like this post enough. Always admired how well he handled everything thrown at him, with grace. Sure I read rumours of him being linked with the Dutch National team job. rynny, BBG83, CBRammette and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramslad1992 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 6 hours ago, oomarkwright said: He's left. Get over it! Lets move on. Cocu or Chris Martin? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBG83 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 11 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: For the last time. When Rooney has had a pre-season and some opportunity to sign/loan players then judge him. Wow! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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