Jimbo Ram Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Inverurie Ram said: a division above what they are currently getting........... Bored them to death.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, NottsRam77 said: Iv not said a lot last few weeks cos it’s been utterly depressing and unlike many happy clappers I saw this coming a ducking mile off while so many had their heads in the clouds I saw this coming when we lost the playoff final and Mel said he wanted half the team to be academy players. When we let experienced players go and didn't replace them. When we filled the squad up with loans and free agents. This has absolutely everything to do with how the club has been run. Let's be honest, it's all about the players. If your recruitment isn't good enough you've got no hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, brady1993 said: The other common theme is arguabely the whole "setting up for the championship" line which came about post Blackburn and has been a recurrent theme with the current management team. Which whilst has an element of merit has been pushed to a degree that has been detrimental as we seem obsessed with "matching the opponent" above all else. Yeah agree with this, I wish we’d go out all guns blazing not giving a stuff about how the opponents plays/lines up. Just take it to some one, go for it, I’d love that and actually think it would do us some good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Rammy03 said: I saw this coming when we lost the playoff final and Mel said he wanted half the team to be academy players. When we let experienced players go and didn't replace them. When we filled the squad up with loans and free agents. This has absolutely everything to do with how the club has been run. Let's be honest, it's all about the players. If your recruitment isn't good enough you've got no hope. That's partly true. As there's the philosophy that people can be nurtered, coached, mentored to becoming a higher performing person and that a mediocre bunch of people can be welded into a very powerful teamworking unit. But yer Rooney doesn't seem to be capable of progressing any of these valid processes so the team is only as good as the sum of the individuals and the individuals haven't developed one iota under him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 minute ago, TexasRam said: Yeah agree with this, I wish we’d go out all guns blazing not giving a stuff about how the opponents plays/lines up. Just take it to some one, go for it, I’d love that and actually think it would do us some good. It's been one weird undercurrent to the season. We look bereft going forwards one game only to name a more defensive line up the next. It's really weird that not once have we really looked to name a line up to attack them from minute 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverurie Ram Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said: Bored them to death.... I'm sure more than less of them would of preferred being bored to death than relegated and ending Ipswich's 63 year stay in the top two tiers of English football than stuck in Div 1 since 2019. I know I want Derby County to stay in the Championship this season at any cost and I'm willing to be bored to death if that is what it takes........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 I’ve not given up on the idea of developing the academy graduates, but I think you need a great coach to do so - maybe someone like Graham potter. Not a rookie. Not a rookie with ego-baggage and a fruit cake sidekick. And it can’t be done at the expense of maintaining a squad. we have allowed key areas of the the team to be stripped bare. Especially central defence and the attacking midfield creatives. this is all the consequence of our over spending on wages and unrecoverable transfer fees. the appointments of Sam rush and Chris Evans were the start of all the madness. And Mel willingly took us headlong into a financial gamble that has failed. right now we have little option but to stomach the strong medicine, slashing wages accordingly. But it could take us at least a decade to recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofmidnight Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 I am feeling very sad and cross tonight in equal measure. The brief honeymoon period has gone and we are now in a relegation battle. It's unbelievable how much we have deteriorated in 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofmidnight Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Just now, Sinistra ram rousse said: I just wonder how many of these players actually want to be playing for Derby next season. On today's showing not many. Rooney's inexperience as a manager is revealed and the youngsters must be feeling confused and disillusioned with some of the more senior players showing a poor attitude. We desperately need to get the ownership of the club sorted out, the appeal issue settled and get an experienced management team in. Everything is a complete shambles! The city of Derby and the many loyal fans are being let down by all concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, RamNut said: I’ve not given up on the idea of developing the academy graduates, but I think you need a great coach to do so - maybe someone like Graham potter. Not a rookie. Not a rookie with ego-baggage and a fruit cake sidekick. And it can’t be done at the expense of maintaining a squad. we have allowed key areas of the the team to be stripped bare. Especially central defence and the attacking midfield creatives. this is all the consequence of our over spending on wages and unrecoverable transfer fees. the appointments of Sam rush and Chris Evans were the start of all the madness. And Mel willingly took us headlong into a financial gamble that has failed. right now we have little option but to stomach the strong medicine, slashing wages accordingly. But it could take us at least a decade to recover. I think you are right if MM has gone the academy route why not do that from day one and have the funds to support it rather than last chance saloon which we are in now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Millenniumram said: Shocking to hear about Waghorn, cannot be having players with that kind of attitude around the squad. No way does he get a new contract now, it’ll be goodbye and good riddance in the summer. Further emphasises the point I was making about this squad though. They just don’t care enough. Not up for the relegation fight one bit. Seems strange he is suddenly like that as he has always seemed like a real worker before who gives alot but who us just lacking the quality finish we would want him to have. There has been suggestion of lack of effort before especially when we have talked about why he keeps getting picked on here. Why the sudden change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, CBRammette said: Seems strange he is suddenly like that as he has always seemed like a real worker before who gives alot but who us just lacking the quality finish we would want him to have. There has been suggestion of lack of effort before especially when we have talked about why he keeps getting picked on here. Why the sudden change? I agree, Waghorn has never been someone I would have suspected as being a bad apple. I wonder if him and Rooney have had a falling out over something? Wouldn’t be a surprise, it seems he fell out with Holmes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincolnshire Ram Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Really starting to get worried now - the new manager bounce is over. When Rooney was first appointed there was a lot of scepticism- no experience , not the manager we need in a relegation dogfight , etc. But he won a few games and all was forgotten. But now we are right back in it. Numerous changes to the team each match, changes in formation halfway through the game, calling out players , players apparently not training, constantly playing to match the opposition rather than playing to our strengths, playing players out of position. Not posted in ages but really worried we are sleepwalking towards League 1 Changes in formation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 38 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: I agree, Waghorn has never been someone I would have suspected as being a bad apple. I wonder if him and Rooney have had a falling out over something? Wouldn’t be a surprise, it seems he fell out with Holmes as well. Well, Waghorn posted a video this lunchtime on his Instagram story of him scoring against Stoke in 2019. I definitely think there's been a falling out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, Lincolnshire Ram said: Really starting to get worried now - the new manager bounce is over. When Rooney was first appointed there was a lot of scepticism- no experience , not the manager we need in a relegation dogfight , etc. But he won a few games and all was forgotten. But now we are right back in it. Numerous changes to the team each match, changes in formation halfway through the game, calling out players , players apparently not training, constantly playing to match the opposition rather than playing to our strengths, playing players out of position. Not posted in ages but really worried we are sleepwalking towards League 1 Changes in formation Do we even have any? We got our results by being more direct, I think we need to go back to that. We have looked relatively solid with a back 3 so we need to stick with that. Kept a clean sheet with it away to Barnsley and 2nd half vs Brentford then both Stoke & Millwall created nothing against it but scored from a set piece. 3412 is the formation I think we should go with. Go long to 2 strikers and play off them with 1 in the cam and the wingbacks keeping the width. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarodyDCFC Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Most depressing thing is that I’m not even that upset about today’s loss. These performances are becoming so much of a normality that it’s difficult to be angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 45 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: I agree, Waghorn has never been someone I would have suspected as being a bad apple. I wonder if him and Rooney have had a falling out over something? Wouldn’t be a surprise, it seems he fell out with Holmes as well. It's well documented Waghorn has struggled with his mental health before. Funny you mention Holmes because he's since said he's been struggling hasn't he? It's just bizarre how he could go from being praised for his training one day, to being dropped from the squad altogether two days later with an accusation of 'not trying in training' as the reason for it. Praised one day, criticised the next, not a good mix really if you're struggling for confidence or just struggling in general. As you say it doesn't sound like he's a trouble maker so what's happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Coconut said: It's well documented Waghorn has struggled with his mental health before. Funny you mention Holmes because he's since said he's been struggling hasn't he? It's just bizarre how he could go from being praised for his training one day, to being dropped from the squad altogether two days later with an accusation of 'not trying in training' as the reason for it. As you say it doesn't sound like he's a trouble maker so what's happened? Rooneys comment on it doesnt sound like its training related really - "Friday, in my opinion, wasn't acceptable in terms of the behaviour not so much the training." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarterForTen Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 46 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: I agree, Waghorn has never been someone I would have suspected as being a bad apple. I wonder if him and Rooney have had a falling out over something? Wouldn’t be a surprise, it seems he fell out with Holmes as well. None of us know the back story here do we. For example, could be that Waghorn has just been offered terms for next season at 40% of his current pay and he feels a bit disrespected? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincolnshire Ram Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said: Do we even have any? We got our results by being more direct, I think we need to go back to that. We have looked relatively solid with a back 3 so we need to stick with that. Kept a clean sheet with it away to Barnsley and 2nd half vs Brentford then both Stoke & Millwall created nothing against it but scored from a set piece. 3412 is the formation I think we should go with. Go long to 2 strikers and play off them with 1 in the cam and the wingbacks keeping the width. Yes I agree - I think Rooney worries far too much about setting up to counter the opposition than us playing direct forward football which we first played with Rooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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