The coronabrexit thread. I mean, coronavirus thread

[1of4]

So we are being asked to show proof that we have been vaccinated or had a negative result from a resent covid test, before we are allowed enter certain events. But apparently by doing this simple task, we are now being told that this is an attack on our personal freedoms.

Would someone care to explain exactly what freedoms I'll be losing.

I know I've lost the freedom to live and move around many European countries. But that was lost due to a public vote a few years back, over the colour of a UK passport. So maybe we need a vote regarding covid passports.

And the result would give us our lose us which freedom?

[QuitYourJibbaJivin]

35 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said:

We're being prepped for another lockdown

I have to say that’s my great fear as well, especially now the Scots are talking people to only mix with 2 households at christmas. People are going to be 3 jabs in yet only allowed to mix with 2 house holds, pubs and restaurants will be socially distanced and Wel be back to debating what’s a substantial meal to know if you’re allowed to have a pint. Pathetic.

[Andicis]

Just now, 1of4 said:

So we are being asked to show proof that we have been vaccinated or had a negative result from a resent covid test, before we are allowed enter certain events. But apparently by doing this simple task, we are now being told that this is an attack on our personal freedoms.

Would someone care to explain exactly what freedoms I'll be losing.

I know I've lost the freedom to live and move around many European countries. But that was lost due to a public vote a few years back, over the colour of a UK passport. So maybe we need a vote regarding covid passports.

And the result would give us our lose us which freedom?

You haven't lost the freedom to live and move around European countries, to clarify. Apply for it like every other country does. 

 

[Carl Sagan]

Some of you are a strange bunch. A few weeks ago I posted some gig footage I took of being back in the moshpit and I think it was @i-Ramwho suggested I put it here in the Covid thread:

We're at the stage where the thing is endemic. As it happens I've had 5 vaccines. Gotta get busy living or get busy dying.

You can want governments to prevent you leaving your house or force you to wear a mask everywhere or ban you from having sex or getting married, or leaving the country, or make you disclose your private medical status to just anyone before you can do an activity that's just part of normal life. Some EU countries are going even further than the authoritarian governments here and mandating vaccines! It is simply extraordinary.

Or you can trust people to accept whatever level of risk they're comfortable with and get on with their lives, in the process keeping the country going which in turn funds the medical (and all other) services people need.

I choose life and I have to say the joy of watching young people out parting again is good for the soul. Too quickly we forget that this is what life is about. What being Human is about. I get that not everyone is comfortable with this, but remember that the government has admitted it has been deliberately trying to terrify you, is amazed at how easily it has worked, and some would say is now addicted to this drug. Most people are much more likely to die of a hundred other things before Covid, and you didn't used to be afraid to leave the house.

[Gaspode]

1 hour ago, Bob The Badger said:

Good grief, I've drifted into a junior school debating competition. 

Nah- you’ve just been overwhelmed by all the mass debaters on here…..

[i-Ram]

16 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said:

Some of you are a strange bunch. A few weeks ago I posted some gig footage I took of being back in the moshpit and I think it was @i-Ramwho suggested I put it here in the Covid thread:

We're at the stage where the thing is endemic. As it happens I've had 5 vaccines. Gotta get busy living or get busy dying.

You can want governments to prevent you leaving your house or force you to wear a mask everywhere or ban you from having sex or getting married, or leaving the country, or make you disclose your private medical status to just anyone before you can do an activity that's just part of normal life. Some EU countries are going even further than the authoritarian governments here and mandating vaccines! It is simply extraordinary.

Or you can trust people to accept whatever level of risk they're comfortable with and get on with their lives, in the process keeping the country going which in turn funds the medical (and all other) services people need.

I choose life and I have to say the joy of watching young people out parting again is good for the soul. Too quickly we forget that this is what life is about. What being Human is about. I get that not everyone is comfortable with this, but remember that the government has admitted it has been deliberately trying to terrify you, is amazed at how easily it has worked, and some would say is now addicted to this drug. Most people are much more likely to die of a hundred other things before Covid, and you didn't used to be afraid to leave the house.

I was bouncing around to the Viagra Boys last night (Chalk, Brighton). Seriously good fun until I slipped on a discarded face mask. Mask wearing doom merchants causing me physical harm. They ain’t going to affect my mental health though! They ain’t nice.

 

Edited December 14, 2021 by i-Ram

[Archied]

47 minutes ago, 1of4 said:

So we are being asked to show proof that we have been vaccinated or had a negative result from a resent covid test, before we are allowed enter certain events. But apparently by doing this simple task, we are now being told that this is an attack on our personal freedoms.

Would someone care to explain exactly what freedoms I'll be losing.

I know I've lost the freedom to live and move around many European countries. But that was lost due to a public vote a few years back, over the colour of a UK passport. So maybe we need a vote regarding covid passports.

And the result would give us our lose us which freedom?

You’ve lost the freedom to live a normal life if you choose not to have a vaccine ( if vaccine passports are brought in ) unless of course your only  interested in YOUR freedoms if you choose to have jabs whenever told to and carry proof with you 

[Archied]

49 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said:

Some of you are a strange bunch. A few weeks ago I posted some gig footage I took of being back in the moshpit and I think it was @i-Ramwho suggested I put it here in the Covid thread:

We're at the stage where the thing is endemic. As it happens I've had 5 vaccines. Gotta get busy living or get busy dying.

You can want governments to prevent you leaving your house or force you to wear a mask everywhere or ban you from having sex or getting married, or leaving the country, or make you disclose your private medical status to just anyone before you can do an activity that's just part of normal life. Some EU countries are going even further than the authoritarian governments here and mandating vaccines! It is simply extraordinary.

Or you can trust people to accept whatever level of risk they're comfortable with and get on with their lives, in the process keeping the country going which in turn funds the medical (and all other) services people need.

I choose life and I have to say the joy of watching young people out parting again is good for the soul. Too quickly we forget that this is what life is about. What being Human is about. I get that not everyone is comfortable with this, but remember that the government has admitted it has been deliberately trying to terrify you, is amazed at how easily it has worked, and some would say is now addicted to this drug. Most people are much more likely to die of a hundred other things before Covid, and you didn't used to be afraid to leave the house.

In the words of the late great Marvin,,,, this ain’t living

[Rev]

1 hour ago, Carl Sagan said:

We're at the stage where the thing is endemic. As it happens I've had 5 vaccines. Gotta get busy living or get busy dying.

Carl, having two shots and a booster, then watching The Vaccines twice, doesn't qualify as 5 jabs!

[1of4]

32 minutes ago, Archied said:

You’ve lost the freedom to live a normal life if you choose not to have a vaccine ( if vaccine passports are brought in ) unless of course your only  interested in YOUR freedoms if you choose to have jabs whenever told to and carry proof with you 

Nope, not lost any of the freedoms I've always had. Every shop owner, event organiser and business has had the right to stipulate the rules we have to comply with, before we are allowed to enter their premises. So once again, what freedoms I'm I losing?

Tell me that these same shops and businesses may be losing their rights to stipulate who can and can not enter their establishment, then you may have a case. But losing my freedoms, once again no.

 

 

 

[G STAR RAM]

44 minutes ago, 1of4 said:

Nope, not lost any of the freedoms I've always had. Every shop owner, event organiser and business has had the right to stipulate the rules we have to comply with, before we are allowed to enter their premises. So once again, what freedoms I'm I losing?

Tell me that these same shops and businesses may be losing their rights to stipulate who can and can not enter their establishment, then you may have a case. But losing my freedoms, once again no.

Just as you've not lost your right to travel to move around European countries, your argument seems very confused.

[uttoxram75]

NHS workers face mandatory vaccinations from April.

Mandatory vaccinations or lose their jobs.

I fking despair.

 

[Eddie]

4 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said:

NHS workers face mandatory vaccinations from April.

Mandatory vaccinations or lose their jobs.

I fking despair.

 

This is one area where I agree with you.

However, at least currently, vaccines do seem to offer a high level of protection against serious illness or dying but not, it seems, against contracting the disease (certainly so far as the recent variants are concerned) and passing it on, consequently making other (primarily unvaccinated) people seriously ill or worse. So please be careful.

[maxjam]

36 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said:

NHS workers face mandatory vaccinations from April.

Mandatory vaccinations or lose their jobs.

I fking despair.

Its disgusting... kicking people out of jobs in which they were rightly deemed heroes a year ago.

We've known for a while now that you can catch and transmit covid despite being double jabbed and it seems that omicron is even more transmissible.  Being vaccinated ultimately only protects yourself and a lot of unvaccinated NHS staff will have almost certainly already had, and recovered from covid after being on the frontlines for almost 2 years - they would pose no more threat to any patients as they would receive from vaccinated colleagues.

I would much rather end all talk of vaccine passports and spend the money on quick, cheap tests so you know exactly who is infectious and when, rather than some flawed vaccine passport scheme that will inevitably prolong Govt restrictions as the pandemic will never end - as it continues to be spread by the vaccinated ? 

[uttoxram75]

Just now, Eddie said:

This is one area where I agree with you.

However, at least currently, vaccines do seem to offer a high level of protection against serious illness or dying but not, it seems, against contracting the disease (certainly so far as the recent variants are concerned) and passing it on, consequently making other (primarily unvaccinated) people seriously ill or worse. So please be careful.

I'm careful every day Eddie. I have to wear a mask in the factory every day at work and in meetings etc. I have an 84 year old mum in poor health who we look after to keep her in her home instead of putting her in a care home. We make sure none of us have a cold or cough when we go round, we wash our hands regularly, use sanitiser when we need to. The wife is tested twice a week as per the school rules where she works. I go through a thermal imager everyday at work and have regular tests.

Myself, wife, daughter, son in law and grandkids  all had covid in January 2020. We didn't know it was covid then but the symptoms were much different to the normal flu.

The daughter and grandkids tested positive in September this year but had very mild symptoms - any other year they would have had a cold. Me and the missus had close contact with them in the days prior to their tests yet we were fine.

I know two people who died within days of having a jab, they had long standing illnesses but not immediately life threatening. One was late 40's one mid 50's. Their families believe the jab killed them. I don't know, I have no clue and no way of knowing. 

I know two others who very nearly died after a jab, blood clots, but were young and fit and managed to pull through. 

These are not anecdotal, these are people I know, worked with, live near, know their mums, dads, brothers, sisters, cousins etc.

I know friends and family who work in the NHS who will not have the jab and will leave if mandatory vaccinations happen.

Forced medical procedures of any kind are not part of a free society. 

I am disgusted and ashamed that I am part of a generation that is currently watering down the Human Rights Act, making protests illegal and forcing emergency vaccines on people.

We've not had freedom and democracy long in this country, about 100 years or so, and yet we are prepared to give it up so easily and without a fight.

 

 

[1of4]

1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said:

Just as you've not lost your right to travel to move around European countries, your argument seems very confused.

So you say I've not lost any freedoms because I can still move around Europe. Just has I can still live and work in EU countries. But not like I could a few years ago, I now need to have a visa to do this. This Isn't  a restriction to my freedom then?

So when I now want to get into an event in England, I have to show a passport to do so. Isn't this the same freedom?

[Gone]

Agree I don’t think it’s possible, sorry what I meant was the original two jabs to start you off, followed by one booster every year. So just the one jab a year going forward. 

[Gone]

8 hours ago, Eddie said:

Indeed, unnecessarily prolonging the lives of the vulnerable - what a waste of time.

Again and again I’ll explain, the majority have agreed to the vaccination program of a medicine that has not been through the normal process or timeline for approval, which is fine and we all know why. However the majority have agreed to this risk and took personal responsibility to have it to reduce the spread and also reduce the impact on the national health service should they contract the virus, even though the vast majority are not even effected adversely by the virus should they contract it. However they have agreed to the vaccine thus helping protect and prolonging the lives of the vulnerable. Now after taking on this risk we are now being asked to adhere to further restrictions against something we are being told is more mild than the original strain that didn’t effect the vast majority adversely anyway.  And for some we see it as only the start of even more restrictions to our life’s (eg like already in Scotland)

My point is why should we continue to accept this? The vaccines are or should be the way out of this, nothing more is needed or do we have to live this way forever @Eddie? And if that be the case to benefit whom exactly?  

[EtoileSportiveDeDerby]

11 hours ago, i-Ram said:

How or what are they doing in Europe regarding this? We have members in Germany, Italy, France and Spain. Are those Countries in booster panic mode too? I am also wondering if the AZ jab is an unspoken issue here in the UK - i.e. more protection is available from two Pfizer jabs than 2 AZ jabs? 

That is agood question. After banging on about AZ being very good (plentiful and cheap for sure) it is not used as a booster. I wonder why and no one seems to be asking the question. 

[EtoileSportiveDeDerby]

10 hours ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said:

How many jabs and how long do you want this experiment to last for? The vast majority did exactly what you suggested above and it still hasn’t ended. 

48 hours