BucksRam Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Stive Pesley said: To be fair - Dr Hilary has been the morning TV "celebrity doctor" for years and years, and along he's been paid to be a doctor of opinions rather than a doctor of medicine I actually knew that would be your answer and I apologise for even asking. I was mistaking here for Twitter again - where you see people ranting about "paid shills" and "Big Pharma profits" (which I don't disagree with a good rant about) - but then 10 seconds later are retweeting the Icke's and their ilk - seemingly oblivious to the fact that they are making a mint on the back of the pandemic too The sad fact is someone always makes money out of other's miss-fortune. Dr Hilary has indeed popped up more regularly as the TV doctor - whether he's profited I have no idea - I would assume yes if he's paid by appearance rather than salaried, but I personally ignore what he has to say - he's a GP not a COVID expert. As for the Pharmas - well if you look at a recent Forbes list, they have indeed made an absolute fortune out of this, and continue to do so. See https://www.forbes.com/sites/giacomotognini/2021/04/06/meet-the-40-new-billionaires-who-got-rich-fighting-covid-19/ as an example. To fuel anyone's conspiracy theory around China, then a large proportion of those on the Forbes list are Chinese, or of Chinese descent. A BBC study of projected global millionaires also seems to indicate China are by far the highest projected producer of millionaires over the next few years. By a long way. I even commented to my kids this week on the irony of all the Lateral Flow Tests are coming from China. As a balance, there are of course a lot of other people making money out of this and will do so for some time to come. I bet all the sellers of face masks were rubbing their hands in glee when Boris advised everyone had to again wear a mask in shops, public transport and schools. Same can be said of the petro-chemical industry, blaming covid for the high prices (reduced production then surge in demand, lorry driver shortage etc). Prices are as high as they've ever been, meaning suppliers (retailer and oil companies) are raking it in. If the oil price rises then so do prices at the pump - daily. But oil has fallen by over $10 a barrel, yet no-one is reducing prices. According to the RAC, retailers made approx. £0.06 profit on a litre pre COVID. Right now, they're making around £0.19 profit. Anon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bris Vegas Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BucksRam said: The sad fact is someone always makes money out of other's miss-fortune. Dr Hilary has indeed popped up more regularly as the TV doctor - whether he's profited I have no idea - I would assume yes if he's paid by appearance rather than salaried, but I personally ignore what he has to say - he's a GP not a COVID expert. As for the Pharmas - well if you look at a recent Forbes list, they have indeed made an absolute fortune out of this, and continue to do so. See https://www.forbes.com/sites/giacomotognini/2021/04/06/meet-the-40-new-billionaires-who-got-rich-fighting-covid-19/ as an example. To fuel anyone's conspiracy theory around China, then a large proportion of those on the Forbes list are Chinese, or of Chinese descent. A BBC study of projected global millionaires also seems to indicate China are by far the highest projected producer of millionaires over the next few years. By a long way. I even commented to my kids this week on the irony of all the Lateral Flow Tests are coming from China. As a balance, there are of course a lot of other people making money out of this and will do so for some time to come. I bet all the sellers of face masks were rubbing their hands in glee when Boris advised everyone had to again wear a mask in shops, public transport and schools. Same can be said of the petro-chemical industry, blaming covid for the high prices (reduced production then surge in demand, lorry driver shortage etc). Prices are as high as they've ever been, meaning suppliers (retailer and oil companies) are raking it in. If the oil price rises then so do prices at the pump - daily. But oil has fallen by over $10 a barrel, yet no-one is reducing prices. According to the RAC, retailers made approx. £0.06 profit on a litre pre COVID. Right now, they're making around £0.19 profit. The pharmas may have made a fortune out of it, but they are public companies so anybody who had shares or options in them would have also made money. I'd be sceptical if they were private companies. The Chinese becoming wealthier also doesn't surprise me. First off they may up about a sixth of the planet, and secondly they have become more advanced in technology while still largely paying cheap labour. Companies like NIO and BIDU are growing big, BABA is massive and they have big energy companies too. Incidentally though the big pharmas shares price has plummeted over the past two or three months. MRNA was above $400 at one point and is now around $260. BNTX, SAVA, NVAX all way down. I was also expecting MRK to fly after they got approval on a COVID pill but it actually went down too. Edited December 7, 2021 by Bris Vegas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: The pharmas may have made a fortune out of it, but they are public companies so anybody who had shares or options in them would have also made money. I'd be sceptical if they were private companies. How many shares does the average Joe Public have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, maxjam said: How many shares does the average Joe Public have? Quite a lot if you have a pension, I would have thought. Gritstone Ram and JoetheRam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Wolfie said: Quite a lot if you have a pension, I would have thought. Maybe you've seen your pension go up a bit, maybe if you're one of the 15% or so that have shares you've made a few quid as well but for everyone else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Interesting facts... Intellectually, the most vaccine hesitant group of people are the PhD educated. https://unherd.com/thepost/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-education-group-of-all-phds/ And Westminster in London has the highest proportion of unvaccinated people with 40 per cent of its population without a single dose of vaccine. Kensington and Chelsea, Newham and Fulham all have more than 39 per cent of their residents entirely unvaccinated; https://inews.co.uk/news/covid-vaccine-uk-people-completely-unvaccinated-booster-jab-programme-1338139 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoetheRam Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 27 minutes ago, maxjam said: Maybe you've seen your pension go up a bit, maybe if you're one of the 15% or so that have shares you've made a few quid as well but for everyone else... Capitalism is as capitalism does. Would have been more noteworthy if it had been the other way round. Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, JoetheRam said: Capitalism is as capitalism does. Would have been more noteworthy if it had been the other way round. Dennis Moore was obviously on the case. "Blimey. This redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought" Comrade 86 and Miggins 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Immunisation works in wondrous ways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggins Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 12 hours ago, Archied said: Of course I do , why wouldn’t I think anybody cashing in on what’s supposed to be a catastrophic pandemic, would it be because I’m a conspiracy theorist and ant vaxer? Your typo made me smile ! Thanks, @Archied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) Okay its official, I am now an anti-vaxxer. And so are many of you according to Merriam-Websters new updated definition... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer : a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination Edited December 7, 2021 by maxjam Andicis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 These bar stewards are laughing at us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said: These bar stewards are laughing at us. What can I say? I voted for Kodos. Eddie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said: These bar stewards are laughing at us. Scumbags. Those who abided by every rule last Christmas have a right to be absolutely seething. Edited December 7, 2021 by DarkFruitsRam7 QuitYourJibbaJivin, Jubbs, maxjam and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 30 minutes ago, Miggins said: Your typo made me smile ! Thanks, @Archied. They will be on them next and that’s one mother of a big roll out? Miggins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said: These bar stewards are laughing at us. Yep ,, from day one??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 8 hours ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said: These bar stewards are laughing at us. Yes, they do and safe in the knowledge that the peasants will just grumble and take it, as per usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said: These bar stewards are laughing at us. Well at least everyone will now rightly ignore any restrictions they try and enforce at Christmas this year Edited December 7, 2021 by TexasRam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 6 hours ago, maxjam said: How many shares does the average Joe Public have? Even if you have 1 share, you've still made money off it. Also, the headline is clickbait nonsense. mRNA was trading at over $400 a share in August/Sept. It then had adrop off to $225 in November. The news with Omicron saw it bounce back to $375, before falling back down to $275. The headline makes it sound like it has spiked to new levels. It hasn't. Their wealth may have skyrocketed $10 billion, but one month prior their wealth dropped by a lot more than that. Where is that in the article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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