GboroRam Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Stive Pesley said: Interesting - official study that shows vaccination does reduce chances of infection AND chances of transmission considerably https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1 So hopefully no more of this "what's the point of getting vaccinated if you can still catch it and pass it on?" guff from people You think? Stive Pesley and Comrade 86 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Stive Pesley said: Interesting - official study that shows vaccination does reduce chances of infection AND chances of transmission considerably https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1 So hopefully no more of this "what's the point of getting vaccinated if you can still catch it and pass it on?" guff from people My reading of it is the opposite and any reduction in transmission is only temporary. 'Transmission reductions declined over time since second vaccination, for Delta reaching similar levels to unvaccinated individuals by 12 weeks' It is basically advocating for regular booster jabs. Archied 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 34 minutes ago, ramit said: Australia is lost. GboroRam, ramit, Archied and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Angry Ram said: Australia is lost. Yeah but there Covid case number is really low, so every cloud... ramit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 15 hours ago, maxjam said: My reading of it is the opposite and any reduction in transmission is only temporary. 'Transmission reductions declined over time since second vaccination, for Delta reaching similar levels to unvaccinated individuals by 12 weeks' It is basically advocating for regular booster jabs. Whatever - it still invalidates the excuse that it makes no difference to infection/transmission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: Whatever - it still invalidates the excuse that it makes no difference to infection/transmission Really? It takes 2 weeks to kick in and by week 12 its at similar levels to unvaccinated with respect to transmission. For 2 jabs you're getting 10 weeks in which you are a less infectious than someone that hasn't had the jab. Unless you are literally having a jab every 3 months there is no difference in how infectious you are. Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 24 minutes ago, maxjam said: It takes 2 weeks to kick in and by week 12 its at similar levels to unvaccinated with respect to transmission. For 2 jabs you're getting 10 weeks in which you are a less infectious than someone that hasn't had the jab 45 million people double-jabbed in the UK Between us that's 450 million weeks of people being less infectious - in other words the virus is being supressed As opposed to if no one had been vaccinated when it would be zero weeks. No brainer There are still reasons for not taking the vaccine that I won't argue with but this is no longer one of them Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 16 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: 45 million people double-jabbed in the UK Between us that's 450 million weeks of people being less infectious - in other words the virus is being supressed As opposed to if no one had been vaccinated when it would be zero weeks. No brainer There are still reasons for not taking the vaccine that I won't argue with but this is no longer one of them The problem with this argument is that is doesn't take into account that people have their jabs at different times. Covid is still rampant in the community and just as you entering your 10 week golden period others are coming out of it and 10 weeks of some people being less infectious than others doesn't really achieve anything other than kicking the problem down the road a bit - which is what Australia and New Zealand are experiencing now. Sooner or later everyone will be 12 weeks passed their second jab, covid will still be around and any suppression will have only been temporary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 27 minutes ago, maxjam said: The problem with this argument is that is doesn't take into account that people have their jabs at different times. Covid is still rampant in the community and just as you entering your 10 week golden period others are coming out of it and 10 weeks of some people being less infectious than others doesn't really achieve anything other than kicking the problem down the road a bit - which is what Australia and New Zealand are experiencing now. Sooner or later everyone will be 12 weeks passed their second jab, covid will still be around and any suppression will have only been temporary. hence boosters Anyway - none of that changes the argument that vaccinations DO suppress the virus (regardless of how long that suppression lasts) That was the only point I was trying to make. therealhantsram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 This is interesting, and news to me - not sure if it affects anyone here, but in the UK we are only allowing 12-18 year olds one does of the vaccine Germany (and possibly other EU countries? Not checked) do not consider this to be "fully vaccinated" and therefore you can't enter the country So if you planned to have a holiday in Germany with your kids, and they are 12-18 you are screwed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Stive Pesley said: This is interesting, and news to me - not sure if it affects anyone here, but in the UK we are only allowing 12-18 year olds one does of the vaccine Germany (and possibly other EU countries? Not checked) do not consider this to be "fully vaccinated" and therefore you can't enter the country So if you planned to have a holiday in Germany with your kids, and they are 12-18 you are screwed Deemed fully vaccinated when had two doses , soon to be 3 doses ? Then 4 ,then 5 , then 6 , then ramit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 It seems we are having more weekly cases than France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Switzerland. Luxembourg, Belgium and Netherlands put together, World leading. GboroRam and ariotofmyown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 33 minutes ago, sage said: It seems we are having more weekly cases than France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Switzerland. Luxembourg, Belgium and Netherlands put together, World leading. Hardly surprising, given that we have, to all intents and purposes resumed normal life, and from what I'm told most other European countries still retain some rules on masks/sanitation. Most important figures are deaths/hospitalisations - are these tracking at the same rate or differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 33 minutes ago, sage said: It seems we are having more weekly cases than France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Switzerland. Luxembourg, Belgium and Netherlands put together, World leading. To add some context... Tests done, week 38: UK - 7.3m France - 3.2m Austria - 3.2m Italy - 2m Germany - 960k Spain - 605k Netherlands - 496k Portugal - 370k Belgium - 310k Luxembourg - 13k UK vs EU = 7.3m vs 11.2m Cases, week 38: UK - 238k Germany - 54k France - 39k Italy - 24k Spain - 16k Belgium - 14k Netherlands - 12k Austria - 12k Portugal - 5k Luxembourg - 600 UK vs EU = 238k vs 177k Wolfie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 I guess people test kore when they feel ill or have been jnconyact with someone who is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: Hardly surprising, given that we have, to all intents and purposes resumed normal life, and from what I'm told most other European countries still retain some rules on masks/sanitation. Most important figures are deaths/hospitalisations - are these tracking at the same rate or differently? Germany death rate highest of the rest. About 75% less per capita Stive Pesley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Think it's clear at this point that the vaccine has a great impact at preventing serious illness, death and in many cases infection. It wanes after a few months but not as much on death and illness. I think a booster seems like a good idea for everyone... But I imagine it's limited returns after that. I suppose it'll be incorporated in to the flu jab and a combination of inherited protection from infection and/or vaccination will over time reduce the symptoms and severity of infection. Australia and NZ seem to ridding themselves of the covid zero approach as vaccination levels increase... Cases in Victoria now seem to be roughly the same as in London and South East. NZ still have quite strict rules but very low infections.. I am interested in how their government will manage their transition from covid zero. I suspect NZ and the least impacted states of Australia have the worst of their pandemic to come. ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 46 minutes ago, sage said: Germany death rate highest of the rest. About 75% less per capita Not sure what you want. Lockdown? If not, what's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Norman said: Not sure what you want. Lockdown? If not, what's your point? ooooh Bit defensive aren't we? Perhaps it's an indication we could have done something different. Perhaps shown some of the caution many on here wanted. Perhaps stuck with masks on public transport. Maybe not sent kids back to school for 1 day in January, relaxed school rules 1 week before the 6 week hols. offered teens vaccines 3 weeks before school returned not 3 weeks after. Just little things. There is plenty of scope between lockdown and the poo show we have now. Comrade 86, GboroRam, Stive Pesley and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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