i-Ram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Disappointed for Phil and his team this didn’t work out. They have done a fantastic job joining up the dots within the club to establish a pathway from academy to the first team. I hope the next manager continues to look to develop our youth to bring them through. The decision for him to move on has also been done in a dignified manner. Clearly the deal must be close now, as it would seem that the new owner has made it clear he wants his own manager to take us forward. Sacking Phil would have been costly, and in my view painful for all concerned. That he can leave on his own, good terms with Mel lessens some of my disappointment. I wish him, Chris and Twain the very best for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 minute ago, i-Ram said: . I wish him, Chris and Twain the very best for the future. The tales they'll tell, if it wasn't for a NDA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Whilst it’s not nice for a decent human to lose his job, it’s not right to keep banging on about him being dealt a bad hand, in comparison to the managers since Jim Smith, he really hasn’t been dealt that bad of a hand. Joiners-gate cost him Richard Keogh and a bit of club embarrassment, nothing else. This is basically an injury and every manager in the game has lost players through injury. Is Klopp dealing with a bad hand cos VVD is injured? Does he deserve excessive sympathy and excuses?? Nope! The long and short of it is what managers do with players ON the pitch, and Cocu sadly proved incapable. in terms of budgets, having to sell players, having no money etc, I’m not buying it. Money spent on just Bielik and Jozwiak rubbishes that excuse. Cocu has had standard managerial issues to deal with, injuries and budget restrictions, name a manager that hasn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said: The big question is to why everyone thought he was so magical to begin with. I think it might be down to his spell at Burnley; there is a perception that he is a one trick pony who can only manage within a certain radius of the south coast. It’s unfair but I’m not convinced he would be the right man for the job, even if he was interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickleoverram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Why? What have you seen him doing that makes you want rid of him? Let me turn that around, what have you seen him do that makes you want to keep him? What has he EVER achieved as a coach ANYWHERE? What has he achieved as a coach at Derby?? What exactly is his role as ‘Specialist Coach’. Specialist in WHAT exactly??? In my opinion Cocus current situation and of course that of Derby, inept, negative displays (Radio Derbys words) etc is as much down to the coaching staff as it is Cocu although as head of the coaching staff it sits firmly at Cocus door. Rosenior was an assistant coach with Brighton’s under 23s before becoming Specialist 1st team coach at Derby. I’m my opinion TOTALLY in over his head and the sooner he goes the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Following the disclosure of the ground sale, MM said various covenants had been put into the lease to protect the ground for the long term future of DCFC, so no I dont think MM could do whatever he wanted with the ground. Of course that is reliant on MM having told the truth. Apologies if I've confused with other posters but I thought you was one of the ones belly aching about the takeover and saying it was because the new owners couldnt prove that they had the funds required...but now you want him to have ownership of the ground? I hope that’s the truth, but none of us have seen the finer points of the sale, so it’s difficult to be sure. For what it’s worth, I’ve never said I was against the takeover. I was just doubtful it would happen given their past record with failed takeovers. I still have lingering doubts, though that update from John Percy this evening gives me more confidence. If they do have the money and takeover, then I have no problem if they bring the ground back under club control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Jayram said: I think it might be down to his spell at Burnley; there is a perception that he is a one trick pony who can only manage within a certain radius of the south coast. It’s unfair but I’m not convinced he would be the right man for the job, even if he was interested. I think as well the fact that more people are becoming aware that Bournemouth spent big before they got to the prem and whilst they were there. This has definitely taken the shine off what people previously perceived to be some magical rise conducted by a genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, Gritstone Ram said: £30m was said to be the loan taken out. Think this was later said to be incorrect and the loan was circa half of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, IslandExile said: cf. Bury, Wigan, Macclesfield In fairness, Coventry was a counter example Of course, the takeover could still go down that route. It’s always a concern. But there’s a lot more than just the stadium to worry about if that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mickleoverram said: Let me turn that around, what have you seen him do that makes you want to keep him? What has he EVER achieved as a coach ANYWHERE? What has he achieved as a coach at Derby?? What exactly is his role as ‘Specialist Coach’. Specialist in WHAT exactly??? In my opinion Cocus current situation and of course that of Derby, inept, negative displays (Radio Derbys words) etc is as much down to the coaching staff as it is Cocu although as head of the coaching staff it sits firmly at Cocus door. Rosenior was an assistant coach with Brighton’s under 23s before becoming Specialist 1st team coach at Derby. I’m my opinion TOTALLY in over his head and the sooner he goes the better. Well given that a main part of his remit when he was brought in was to help the younger players with the transition from the youth teams to the first team, I've seen good transitions from Buchanan, Bird, Knight and Sibley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 51 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: That was certainly the figure that has been quoted. There has also been a subsequent loan, secured against Moor Farm. Seriously. Mel playing his cards very well but I remain somewhat mystified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 35 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Our situation is all down to Cocu That is not true Roy....do you think he was helped by getting rid of all of our strikers and replacing them with ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickleoverram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 minute ago, G STAR RAM said: Well given that a main part of his remit when he was brought in was to help the younger players with the transition from the youth teams to the first team, I've seen good transitions from Buchanan, Bird, Knight and Sibley. And what did he have to do for that then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverurie Ram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Thank you Phillip Cocu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Just now, Rampage said: Seriously. Mel playing his cards very well but I remain somewhat mystified. I'll be honest, I became quite disillusioned with MM towards the end. He was happy to be the face of DCFC when times were good but has then pretty much disappeared since times went bad. He pulled the wool over our eyes regarding the sale of the stadium. And now a loan against the training ground has not even warranted a mention. It's no coincidence that the fans forum were brought to a halt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Mickleoverram said: And what did he have to do for that then? I don't know, but if that was part of his job role I would imagine he did something. If not, can you enlighten us what his day to day duties entail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 41 minutes ago, jono said: This might be famous last words but I just don’t see it. The clock continues to turn, things change. Need a new story. Prem managers out, first time managers risky, foreign managers can be great as we have seen but need a good fit. Who does that leave as long term replacement. Chris Hughton was my first choice. Big Quandry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickleoverram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Well given that a main part of his remit when he was brought in was to help the younger players with the transition from the youth teams to the first team, I've seen good transitions from Buchanan, Bird, Knight and Sibley. I saw good transitions with Giles Barnes, Tom Huddlestone and Will Hughes, what does that prove?? What has he done?? Did he drive them to the ground perhaps, or maybe he gave them a number to phone if they wanted a mate?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: I'll be honest, I became quite disillusioned with MM towards the end. He was happy to be the face of DCFC when times were good but has then pretty much disappeared since times went bad. He pulled the wool over our eyes regarding the sale of the stadium. And now a loan against the training ground has not even warranted a mention. It's no coincidence that the fans forum were brought to a halt. Much to ponder. I will reserve.my opinions on Mel till after the takeover and.mabagerial appointment. Who is going to advise on the appointment. Big big job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, S8TY said: That is not true Roy....do you think he was helped by getting rid of all of our strikers and replacing them with ??? Colin? Waghorn is not a fave of mine, but he's better than we've seen. Not to do with fitness. Why drop Joz? Yeah I'm sure he wanted a hold-up striker but he probably wouldn't have played him until he got in the rhythm of things! Big respect for him as a person. But he was not right for us or the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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