Ghost of Clough Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: Is that good or bad ? I genuinely don’t know Means someone below us is getting points doesn’t it ? Well it minimises the maximum number of points all 9 can gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: Doesnt look like that has anything to do with the ground sale? Surely the company that purchased the ground from us was not commercially active at the time either? No idea,I think the Wendies ground sale went on the wrong years accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 4 hours ago, NottsRam77 said: Bang on mate we’re Derby county we won’t go down attitude 8 points, get nothing on Saturday (some of the laughter boys want to give me a £10 bet on that ???) and we could be 5 off ? Or will u wake up and smell the coffee ? will u still be laughing then ? were in a fight, it’s a fight we can win with a few wins but as it stands right now I’m worried and I think some of the arrogance of entitlement amongst some of our fan base stinks if u disagree look at the “promotion thread” that was running only 2-3 weeks a go lmfao Without a points deduction I would back us to stay up but a points deduction is not off the cards. We have some tough games so let’s see what happens mate. Complacency should not be the order of the day though with teams below us picking up form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB SPORTS Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 7 hours ago, NottsRam77 said: @SIXTEEN AGAIN care to elaborate mate ? Sorry, I just find extreme pessimism a bit like black comedy or a bit like extreme politics if you like and for that matter extreme optimism as well. , particularly in relation to sport. Didn't mean your rubbish your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberram Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 The only bonus I can see with being relegated is getting rid of some of our dross/plastic fans and get back to a hard core of support. God knows if “we will be back in 2021” but I’m sure most of us on here will be right behind them. B4s Army Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 I think that relegation is extremely unlikely without a points deduction. Our home form is should see us over the line comfortably. It would be almost unthinkable that all the teams below us suddenly became unbeatable - one or two might, but not all of them. The real threat is a points deduction. I reckon that is a very real danger. Firstly, there's a small but realistic chance that we go into administration. I don't think this will happen, but I don't think it's completely impossible that Mel can't or won't continue to shovel money in an the investment is taking longer than one of my DIY projects. Then there's the far more likely danger of a points deduction from the EFL over the stadium sale and the residual values - I hear the latter is actually the main issue. I suspect that we've irritated the EFL and, if they can make the charges stick, they will hit us with a massive points deduction which will see us relegated. An earlier post mentioned that 21 was the largest the rules allowed. I'd be interested to see these rules. As far as I'm aware the independent panel can impose any sanction that they feel is justified, so I don't think there's a limit (although I could be wrong). I do know that a points deduction isn't the only possible sanction. They could expel us from the whole EFL, instantly relegate us, hit us with a fine or impose a transfer embargo. It's also possible that they could do something like instant relegation for the stadium and a transfer ban for the accounts - not so easy to climb out of League 1 then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Kinell Cornwall I was almost cheerful until I read that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 2 hours ago, SIXTEEN AGAIN said: Sorry, I just find extreme pessimism a bit like black comedy or a bit like extreme politics if you like and for that matter extreme optimism as well. , particularly in relation to sport. Didn't mean your rubbish your opinion. fair play bud I understand, I’m just scared as hell having seen greater leads and margins sliced in a matter of weeks with clubs much bigger than ours falling flat on their faces plus being smack bang in the middle of red dogs ville doesn’t help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Curtains said: Without a points deduction I would back us to stay up but a points deduction is not off the cards. We have some tough games so let’s see what happens mate. Complacency should not be the order of the day though with teams below us picking up form Again, bang on the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: Well it minimises the maximum number of points all 9 can gain. It does ... but we still need to do our bit .. obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 8 hours ago, NottsRam77 said: I applaud your optimism mate and I do agree with some of what u say ... no question about that I just think the manager carry’s the can for some of this .. he has to doesn’t he .. in any job, at any football club yes there is a catalogue of horrendous circumstances behind this season and the way it’s panned out dating as far back as clement and rush and as far fetched as an out of hand drinking session .. that all is totally recognised from myself I just think the championship has taken him a little by surprise, from those first few weeks of pairing up dowell and Huddlestone in conbative championship engine room to the multi rotational centre back trial and error see what comes off I don’t blame him, he’s trying to make something work .. I get that and as I say it’s a combo of players not stepping up, injuries and car crashes but that’s not to say he doesn’t carry some responsibility and would probably say he has learnt a lot about this league and is still learning We have gone from a team that were the absolute pits on the road to a side that consistently look decent and but for mistakes , crap refs and missed chances could and should be getting more points ,yep it’s frustrating at the mo as we not getting what our performances deserve but the performances are there for all to see except the blind ,all managers are learning all the time unless you want a short term warnock jobbie I haven’t got the first clue where the hell your comming from ,,,, happy clappers ?,arrogant , entitled , all your phrases to the people who laugh at the spit the dummy want it all now brigade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyhill60 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Archied said: We have gone from a team that were the absolute pits on the road to a side that consistently look decent and but for mistakes , crap refs and missed chances could and should be getting more points ,yep it’s frustrating at the mo as we not getting what our performances deserve but the performances are there for all to see except the blind ,all managers are learning all the time unless you want a short term warnock jobbie I haven’t got the first clue where the hell your comming from ,,,, happy clappers ?,arrogant , entitled , all your phrases to the people who laugh at the spit the dummy want it all now brigade All that is missing from that post is facts! Sadly we only look decent for brief spells in away games. Repeatedly missing chances and making mistakes at the back are not features of a good side and blaming refs is the last resort of a happy clapper. Cocu has failed to get the best out of his players and the inconsistency of result illustrates that clearly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 3 hours ago, sunnyhill60 said: All that is missing from that post is facts! Sadly we only look decent for brief spells in away games. Repeatedly missing chances and making mistakes at the back are not features of a good side and blaming refs is the last resort of a happy clapper. Cocu has failed to get the best out of his players and the inconsistency of result illustrates that clearly This @Archied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 5 hours ago, Archied said: We have gone from a team that were the absolute pits on the road to a side that consistently look decent and but for mistakes , crap refs and missed chances could and should be getting more points ,yep it’s frustrating at the mo as we not getting what our performances deserve but the performances are there for all to see except the blind ,all managers are learning all the time unless you want a short term warnock jobbie I haven’t got the first clue where the hell your comming from ,,,, happy clappers ?,arrogant , entitled , all your phrases to the people who laugh at the spit the dummy want it all now brigade There’s wanting it all ... and there’s progress if your measuring progress in that we’re now no longer getting utterly tonked on the road by anyone and everyone and are in games despite still consistently falling the wrong side of the line then fair enough.... but duck me that’s a bloody low bar we’re setting isn’t it Rome wasn’t built on a day... agree these things take time .. agree cocu has had a rough hand .. agree As I said “ he’s still learning” that is all I said ... so when it’s met by an inane laughter emoji I want to hear some actual footballing logic uv given it, we don’t agree but that’s fine it’s a forum I just hate two bit posters that stick sarky comments or emojis in without giving any football substance to their comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 13 hours ago, CornwallRam said: I think that relegation is extremely unlikely without a points deduction. Our home form is should see us over the line comfortably. It would be almost unthinkable that all the teams below us suddenly became unbeatable - one or two might, but not all of them. The real threat is a points deduction. I reckon that is a very real danger. Firstly, there's a small but realistic chance that we go into administration. I don't think this will happen, but I don't think it's completely impossible that Mel can't or won't continue to shovel money in an the investment is taking longer than one of my DIY projects. Then there's the far more likely danger of a points deduction from the EFL over the stadium sale and the residual values - I hear the latter is actually the main issue. I suspect that we've irritated the EFL and, if they can make the charges stick, they will hit us with a massive points deduction which will see us relegated. An earlier post mentioned that 21 was the largest the rules allowed. I'd be interested to see these rules. As far as I'm aware the independent panel can impose any sanction that they feel is justified, so I don't think there's a limit (although I could be wrong). I do know that a points deduction isn't the only possible sanction. They could expel us from the whole EFL, instantly relegate us, hit us with a fine or impose a transfer embargo. It's also possible that they could do something like instant relegation for the stadium and a transfer ban for the accounts - not so easy to climb out of League 1 then. I'd love to hear your rationale behind your statement that "...realistic chance that we go into administration". How do you think this would benefit the club and what effect on MM personally? I'm using the 2018 accounts as a reference point and have no idea how youve reached your conclusion. Where have you heard that the main issue is the amortisation method used? Reliable source? I'm pretty sure there must be some guidance to the punishments that can be handed down for breaching FFP rules, I very much doubt expulsion from the EFL would be allowable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 4 hours ago, sunnyhill60 said: All that is missing from that post is facts! Sadly we only look decent for brief spells in away games. Repeatedly missing chances and making mistakes at the back are not features of a good side and blaming refs is the last resort of a happy clapper. Cocu has failed to get the best out of his players and the inconsistency of result illustrates that clearly What players is he currently not getting the best out of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 4 hours ago, sunnyhill60 said: All that is missing from that post is facts! Sadly we only look decent for brief spells in away games. Repeatedly missing chances and making mistakes at the back are not features of a good side and blaming refs is the last resort of a happy clapper. Cocu has failed to get the best out of his players and the inconsistency of result illustrates that clearly You can probably summarise that by saying individual and collective errors or lapses in concentration are still costing the team dearly away from home which is something that disappointingly hasn't changed one iota from the start of the season so would have to disagree apropros any comments regards progress being made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: What players is he currently not getting the best out of? Playing peacemaker here are we saying that all players at the club are operating at their full potential and could not improve any through coaching and development even if was an incremental improvement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: You can probably summarise that by saying individual and collective errors or lapses in concentration are still costing the team dearly away from home which is something that disappointingly hasn't changed one iota from the start of the season so would have to disagree apropros any comments regards progress being made. Is that Cos of the way cocu wants us to play ? that it invites more mistakes ? when u try and play out in the fashion he wants us to it’s inevitable with the ingredients at his disposal in which case it’s the age old argument do u play a way that gets the very best out of what u have and gradually phase ur ideas across as u bring in the players to help u do that or do u go with your philosophy right from day one im personally of the opinion of the gradual transition ... I suppose there’s no right or wrong but by the looks of it he’s here for the long and was always going to be given time .. so why rush it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: What players is he currently not getting the best out of? straight off the bat Jayden bogle ... has regressed this season ... pretty alarmingly truth be told Iv been wandering if bogle isn’t more suited to a higher tempo game... he’s quick he’s, energetic he plays at his best off the cuff ... the slower paced build up with more emphasis on intricate accurate passing really doesn’t seem to suit him and he’s not been good defensively either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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