Coronavirus

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6 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Doesnt this basically mean that all incoming and outgoing foreign travel is banned indefinitely until Covid is completely eradicated?

Has there been no contingency planning for the vaccines not being effective?

 

I don't think it can be completely eradicated.  There will always be a place for it outside the human population.  Hopefully it will burn itself out

[BIllyD]

8 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Ive not seen Albert post anything derogatory or deliberately provocative, so not sure any of this is aimed at him. 

Personally, its his arrogance and instant dismissal of any opinion that differs from his, under the banner of 'I have already discussed this' that gets under my skin.

That being said I find plenty of what he says, and information that he brings to the thread, very informative and interesting.

 

But there's plenty that I'm sure gets under his skin, for example the dismissive way a post was dealt of his by saying he wasn't in this country.

My point was more around we all know what buttons to press in this thread as there is only a handful of posters and we are all as guilty as others in throwing the odd "passive aggressive" post into the mix, so I wasn't sure why gboros was singled out...not that it matters, he has dealt with it.m, time to move on.

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6 minutes ago, BIllyD said:

But there's plenty that I'm sure gets under his skin, for example the dismissive way a post was dealt of his by saying he wasn't in this country.

My point was more around we all know what buttons to press in this thread as there is only a handful of posters and we are all as guilty as others in throwing the odd "passive aggressive" post into the mix, so I wasn't sure why gboros was singled out...not that it matters, he has dealt with it.m, time to move on.

Though it wasn’t my post regards Albert not living in this country it is a factor that needs consideration and right to pick up on , he’s not living the U.K. situation, he’s no exposed to our tv , radio, newspapers , he’s not party to our daily updates , he’s not living and working here experiencing how things are and he’s not comming into contact with people day in day out with differing views on what we are living through in this country ??‍♂️, 

so opinion is one thing but the level Albert wants to lecture and dismiss others on here hardly a surprise that some may find it rather overbearing 

[Bob The Badger]

1 hour ago, GboroRam said:

I suppose it's a matter of perception. If you feel it's out of line ask another mod to have a look.

I nominate Sting from his Quadrophenia phase to take a look.

 

[JoetheRam]

5 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said:

I nominate Sting from his Quadrophenia phase to take a look.

 

Nah he's a mere bell boy.

 

[G STAR RAM]

22 minutes ago, BIllyD said:

But there's plenty that I'm sure gets under his skin, for example the dismissive way a post was dealt of his by saying he wasn't in this country.

My point was more around we all know what buttons to press in this thread as there is only a handful of posters and we are all as guilty as others in throwing the odd "passive aggressive" post into the mix, so I wasn't sure why gboros was singled out...not that it matters, he has dealt with it.m, time to move on.

I am sure I do alot to annoy Albert but I don't think he ever says anything personal in his responses so I have absolutely no problem with what he says.

I didn't see a problem with me dismissing his thoughts about the narrative being pushed over here by the media. I would have no idea on what is being shoved down peoples throats by the media in Australia and I would guess its a fair assumption that someone loving in Australia is very unlikely to have a true reflection of the same over here.

The point about double standards has been raised on numerous occasions, some of us obviously think it does happen, the moderator obviously doesnt think it does. Like you say, no major issue and we move on.

[Wolfie]

1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said:

Doesnt this basically mean that all incoming and outgoing foreign travel is banned indefinitely until Covid is completely eradicated?

Has there been no contingency planning for the vaccines not being effective?

 

The vaccines are all tunable to whatever virus strain is most prevalent/dangerous (as with the annual flu jabs). It just takes time.

AZ have said they could tune the virus to the SA strain, if necessary, and have it available by the autumn - by which time there will be other strains as well - which is why it's important to get the case numbers down, so that scenario of always trying to play catch-up hopefully doesn't happen.

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Not sure where or how  Professor Laurie Santos came up with her theory that, any symptoms experience from catching the coronavirus in the future, would result in nothing more than having a slight sniffle. Also not sure why a Professor of psychology, that specialises in cognitive science, would be involved in the researching of viruses.

But I suppose there'll be people, happily excepting what she said as fact. Well she is a Professor so it must be true.

[maxjam]

Fun Fact!

 

[therealhantsram]

9 minutes ago, maxjam said:

Fun Fact!

 

But how heavy would it be?

[Shang]

I think people just need to live with the fact that foreign holidays are completely out of the question at least this year, and most likely into the next. Even if we are vaccinated and protected ourselves as a country, the destination countries Brits tend to visit haven't had the luxury of being first movers and will be at a much later stage in their vaccine programme.

They would not want people coming over who can still pass on the virus, travelling through busy airports and on public transport coming over and making their situation potentially worse with new variants.

It's more likely we'll be able to go on holiday within England and Wales (the whole of the UK is still in question due to Scotland being protective over their borders).

"Normality" holiday-wise will only happen if all countries in the world have had their vaccines and on a yearly basis, and things like a mandatory 10 day quarantine upon arrival will be commonplace.

[G STAR RAM]

7 minutes ago, Shang said:

I think people just need to live with the fact that foreign holidays are completely out of the question at least this year, and most likely into the next. Even if we are vaccinated and protected ourselves as a country, the destination countries Brits tend to visit haven't had the luxury of being first movers and will be at a much later stage in their vaccine programme.

They would not want people coming over who can still pass on the virus, travelling through busy airports and on public transport coming over and making their situation potentially worse with new variants.

It's more likely we'll be able to go on holiday within England and Wales (the whole of the UK is still in question due to Scotland being protective over their borders).

"Normality" holiday-wise will only happen if all countries in the world have had their vaccines and on a yearly basis, and things like a mandatory 10 day quarantine upon arrival will be commonplace.

Basically all I read from that is that the aviation and foreign travel sectors are gone forever.

[Shang]

3 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Basically all I read from that is that the aviation and foreign travel sectors are gone forever.

I think it'll change from something that was commonplace (cheap £30 tickets to Spain on Ryanair every weekend) to something that was more familiar 60-70 years ago where it was actually a luxury to travel abroad.

[rynny]

5 hours ago, maxjam said:

Waste of time reporting even if it is better than complaining in responses to it. 

It is never a waste of time reporting posts. I'll be honest and I struggle to read through this thread, and skim through posts. I had a few days away from the forum over the weekend, I came to post on here as my wife had the vaccine over the weekend and there was 15 pages to read through, I managed 4 pages before I gave up, it is easy to miss posts. So reporting any post will alert all the mods and all of us will take a look at the post and discuss whether or not it should be hidden. 

[Sith Happens]

2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Basically all I read from that is that the aviation and foreign travel sectors aindustry are gone forever.

it probably doesn't help that the aviation industry appears to be in a fragile state anyway, pre covid. 

How many airlines have we lost in recent years as the prices have been driven down.

I don't think its gone,  we as the paying public though may find our holidays cost a lot more though.

 

 

[G STAR RAM]

1 minute ago, Sith Happens said:

it probably doesn't help that the aviation industry appears to be in a fragile state anyway, pre covid. 

How many airlines have we lost in recent years as the prices have been driven down.

I don't think its gone,  we as the paying public though may find our holidays cost a lot more though.

I was more alluding to the fact that the poster was saying not visiting countries until they had all been vaccinated. 

Another season of this and airlines/tour operators will go under, no doubt about that. 

The knock on effect for Derby could be disastrous.

 

[Sith Happens]

6 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

I was more alluding to the fact that the poster was saying not visiting countries until they had all been vaccinated. 

Another season of this and airlines/tour operators will go under, no doubt about that. 

The knock on effect for Derby could be disastrous.

 

There is no doubt that they will yes.

 

[Albert]

9 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Yes they were my words which you said were without basis and it was not just your opinion but a fact that I was wrong. 

So I wil ask again:-

Which reports? And what evidence was in them to back up their assertions? There must have been something you saw to convince you that me saying the NHS was never going to collapse was incorrect.

You'll notice I've reworded the question to try and stop you from wrigging out of answering it.

Not really sure what 'wriggling' you think would go on. 

You argued that you were challenging the official narrative, now you're arguing that it's my narrative. You've tied yourself in knots, it's actually quite funny. 

[G STAR RAM]

11 minutes ago, Albert said:

Not really sure what 'wriggling' you think would go on. 

You argued that you were challenging the official narrative, now you're arguing that it's my narrative. You've tied yourself in knots, it's actually quite funny. 

I challenged the official narrative, you said it was a fact that I was wrong (not just your opinion remember).

Ive now asked you to justify it and you can't. 

Funny? Its absolutely bloody hilarious watching you avoid yet more questions that you don't hace answers for.

[Albert]

3 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

I challenged the official narrative, you said it was a fact that I was wrong (not just your opinion remember).

Ive now asked you to justify it and you can't. 

Funny? Its absolutely bloody hilarious watching you avoid yet more questions that you don't hace answers for.

I said your reasoning for such a challenge was wrong. 

It's interesting that you're trying to weasel out of your own position and put it on me. The simple facts here are:

• You claimed that you challenged the official narrative based on the statistics. 
• Multiple posters asked you for those numbers are you failed to provide anything for the longest time. 
• People noted that bed occupancy would not be a good measure of that for a multitude of reasons, and you were asked to compare rates of respiratory illness. 
• You then posted raw bed occupancy numbers. 
• When it was noted that people had already discussed why this is a poor measure, you then starting for ways out of your own argument. 

So here we are, you trying to wriggle out of your own point by making it about me somehow. My challenge was, however, about the lack of evidence you had for challenging what you yourself called the official narrative.