May Contain Nuts Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 6 hours ago, NottsRam77 said: Roos puts the fear of god into me everytime I watch him go for a cross ... imagine being a centre half playing infront of him As someone else has said coming for crosses and commanding your box is a massive part of being a gk and Roos simply can’t and doesn’t Hamer is far far far from perfect but quite simply put when the ball goes into the box I’m about 20% less scared than when Roos is in the sticks. roos has superior kicking, but if there’s a skillset for gks for me taking crosses and commanding their box trumps distribution Safe to we need a new keeper next year I reckon ... amongst many other things lol I certainly wouldn't disagree that we need a new goalkeeper. However with reference to the bolded sentences, I think (not just from yourself) there's a certain level of projection going on here. If you're panicked how must they feel? Actually I'd Imagine that the centre halves, the experienced professional players, who train with him day in day out are acutely aware of his strengths and weaknesses, more so than your average supporter and are better prepared for it. Despite you being less scared with Hamer in goal it doesn't statistically translate to us conceding fewer goals when he plays, so maybe your fear is just that? You're naturally feeling on edge when the opposition put the ball in the box so your own heightened level of anxiety is transferred into the players, but is that fair? It's like those times he takes too many touches (or a heavy touch getting out out of his feet) and is closed down my an attacker, the crowd poo themselves, assume he's just being indecisive, but the absolute worst that comes out of the situation is often just a boot out of play. No major harm done. More often than not, when he looks like he's about to lose the ball in that situation (and the crowd grumbles accordingly) and despite nearly being closed down, he'll actually play a good ball out! The good passes are never remembered though, just the squeeky bums! Being the complete hypocrite that I am, I'm well aware I rarely extended such courtesy to 'Captain Calamity' Richard Keogh. Although in his case, well, he regained that nickname after Joinersgate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 And maybe time for me to remind everyone that Davies says he wants his keepers to stay on the line and let the centre halves deal with the crosses. If that's club policy, we need to get behind it and stop bleating on about what football used to be like 40 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 32 minutes ago, Coconut said: I certainly wouldn't disagree that we need a new goalkeeper. However with reference to the bolded sentences, I think (not just from yourself) there's a certain level of projection going on here. If you're panicked how must they feel? Actually I'd Imagine that the centre halves, the experienced professional players, who train with him day in day out are acutely aware of his strengths and weaknesses, more so than your average supporter and are better prepared for it. Despite you being less scared with Hamer in goal it doesn't statistically translate to us conceding fewer goals when he plays, so maybe your fear is just that? You're naturally feeling on edge when the opposition put the ball in the box so your own heightened level of anxiety is transferred into the players, but is that fair? It's like those times he takes too many touches (or a heavy touch getting out out of his feet) and is closed down my an attacker, the crowd poo themselves, assume he's just being indecisive, but the absolute worst that comes out of the situation is often just a boot out of play. No major harm done. More often than not, when he looks like he's about to lose the ball in that situation (and the crowd grumbles accordingly) and despite nearly being closed down, he'll actually play a good ball out! The good passes are never remembered though, just the squeeky bums! Being the complete hypocrite that I am, I'm well aware I rarely extended such courtesy to 'Captain Calamity' Richard Keogh. Although in his case, well, he regained that nickname after Joinersgate! I’m just speaking from a supporters point of view although having played with a fair few keepers over the years as a centre back... as I’m sure many can claim, I can confirm there’s some keepers you’d rather behind u when the ball starts being put into the box than others I want roos to do well as he’s got some massive attributes, he’s a big lad, decent shot stopper and his distribution imo is very good for this level but u can’t have a keeper who flaps so indecisively at crosses as he does if u want to get anywhere who knows maybe it can be coached into him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 59 minutes ago, angieram said: And maybe time for me to remind everyone that Davies says he wants his keepers to stay on the line and let the centre halves deal with the crosses. If that's club policy, we need to get behind it and stop bleating on about what football used to be like 40 years ago. Where’s the fun in that??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Ram Posted March 8, 2020 Author Share Posted March 8, 2020 Nobody will ever convince me Hamer is better than Roos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roboto Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 hours ago, angieram said: And maybe time for me to remind everyone that Davies says he wants his keepers to stay on the line and let the centre halves deal with the crosses. If that's club policy, we need to get behind it and stop bleating on about what football used to be like 40 years ago. I thought club policy was no gloves and socks below knees. Now I'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 08/03/2020 at 05:15, SIXTEEN AGAIN said: No Would love Cocu to go back to PSV and get Jerome Zoet, Mr reliable for him for 5 years and now shipped out to Utrecht on loan I think there is a decent deal to be had there, still only 28 also That's a good shout. Zoet is contracted one more year though. Maybe a loan if he is not in PSV's plans? You'd assume to have competition for him, he has 11 caps for Netherlands after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dethorn Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 On 08/03/2020 at 14:33, NottsRam77 said: although having played with a fair few keepers over the years as a centre back... as I’m sure many can claim, I can confirm there’s some keepers you’d rather behind u when the ball starts being put into the box than others I played Centre Half for a long time in front of a very very good goalkeeper that I totally took for granted. He only knew two words during the game "Keepers" and "Away" and if it was in the box he commanded the situation, put one of those words on it and you reacted accordingly - (if he shouted "keepers" you got the hell out of the way lol - I saw quite a few splatted Centre Forwards wondering what the heck they had just collided with - he wasn't that big either ) As I got older and dropped down the leagues I played in front of some other goalkeepers and it made me realise just how good he was. The real killer was the indecision cos it spreads quicker than this Corona virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 43 minutes ago, Dethorn said: I played Centre Half for a long time in front of a very very good goalkeeper that I totally took for granted. He only knew two words during the game "Keepers" and "Away" and if it was in the box he commanded the situation, put one of those words on it and you reacted accordingly - (if he shouted "keepers" you got the hell out of the way lol - I saw quite a few splatted Centre Forwards wondering what the heck they had just collided with - he wasn't that big either ) As I got older and dropped down the leagues I played in front of some other goalkeepers and it made me realise just how good he was. The real killer was the indecision cos it spreads quicker than this Corona virus. So what you're saying is it's communication and decision making which are more important than the ability to catch a cross. If the CBs are good enough at clearing the danger it doesn't matter if the keeper isn't great at dealing with crosses. In such a scenario, the defenders would know it's their responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 On 08/03/2020 at 14:01, angieram said: And maybe time for me to remind everyone that Davies says he wants his keepers to stay on the line and let the centre halves deal with the crosses. If that's club policy, we need to get behind it and stop bleating on about what football used to be like 40 years ago. tell that to the ex-champions of Europe........? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 On 08/03/2020 at 14:01, angieram said: And maybe time for me to remind everyone that Davies says he wants his keepers to stay on the line and let the centre halves deal with the crosses. If that's club policy, we need to get behind it and stop bleating on about what football used to be like 40 years ago. Bl....dy hell. I’ll have nothing to talk about. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Any of the keepers any good? https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/70-premier-league-free-agents-3940558 All free agents in the summer... Artur Boruc, aged 40 Claudio Bravo, aged 36 Willy Caballero, aged 38 Karl Darlow, aged 29 Rob Elliot, aged 33 Ben Foster, aged 36 Heurelho Gomes, aged 39 Joe Hart, aged 32 Stephen Henderson, aged 31 Eldin Jakupovic, aged 35 Adam Legzdins, aged 33 Andy Lonergan, aged 36 Matt Macey, aged 25 John Ruddy, aged 33 Matija Sarkic, aged 22 Maarten Stekelenburg, aged 37 Michel Vorm, aged 36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 How old is Mart Poom ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltRam Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Hamer's doing alright, better than Roos after his confidence got battered by the boo boys, but I'd still like an upgrade next term. Is Carson still technically ours next year? Cocu's going to want a 'sweeper keeper' though, isn't he? It'll be some randomer most of us have never heard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Any chance we could get Oblak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 I would like to see us pick up a keeper from the lower league, history shows that in time a few will rise through the ranks. I've heard a lot of good things about Alex Bass who has recently won the job as Portsmouth number one. It's easy to take a snapshot in time, but you could pick any random year and check the lower leagues. You do see some surprising names. In 14-15, the following players played in League One either on loan or otherwise: Jordan Pickford, Sam Johnstone, James Bree, Rico Henry, Mason Holgate, Ben Davies, Jack O'Connell, Kortney Hause, Jack Stephens, Chris Basham, George Baldock, James Tavernier, Joe Bryan, Enda Stevens, Greg Cunningham, Josh Brownhill, John Swift, John Lundstram, Ben Pearson, Sam Clucas, James Maddison, Dele Alli, Bradley Dack, Marcus Maddison, Luke Freeman, Callum Robinson, Jacob Murphy, Bobby Reid, Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Ollie McBurnie, Che Adams, Conor Hourihane, Aden Flint, Daniel Johnson, Benik Afobe, Luke Ayling, John Egan, Lyle Taylor, Jack Marriott & Jordan Hugill. It's crazy to think that the money some of those players eventually moved for in their career or in some cases linked with. Multiple 8 figure players and a few with England caps to their name - Pickford, Alli, Maddison. Lots of Premier League starters. The talent doesn't just dry up - you look in the lower leagues without devling into it and they're just names. If you watch them, and I mean really watch them, you'll pick up some talent 100%, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raich Carter Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 On 08/03/2020 at 14:01, angieram said: And maybe time for me to remind everyone that Davies says he wants his keepers to stay on the line and let the centre halves deal with the crosses. If that's club policy, we need to get behind it and stop bleating on about what football used to be like 40 years ago. But it’s not club policy. We see Roos flapping, not not coming off his line... I could not care less about the stats as, for a goalkeeper in particular, they don’t tell a tenth of the story. He’s very poor on crosses and takes totally unnecessary risks when playing it off the deck. I hate to say it but those are the facts. I sincerely hope that if he gets another chance he’s improved Cos he’s a decent shot stopper and seems fine apart from those two massive issues I’ve mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TramRam Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 9 hours ago, IslandExile said: Any chance we could get Oblak? When a keeper plays well like he did last nigh it goes to show that having a good defence infront of you you still need a very good keeper in the sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dethorn Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 15 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: So what you're saying is it's communication and decision making which are more important than the ability to catch a cross. No - What I was trying to say is that I took having a dominant keeper who commanded his area very well and clearly for granted because I was lucky to have him behind me for such a long time. He basically communicated what he was going to do - but also had the ability to do it. He caught EVERYTHING in the 6 yard box and punched most things between the 6 yard box and penalty spot. I am sorry if implied that I meant coming out and decisively missing it - that was not my intent ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale The Ram Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Watching the Under 23's that West Ham keeper could be a great pick up for us. I for one dont mind a 19/20 year old in goal. If not Joe Hart is our man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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