Inverurie Ram Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, LazloW said: Got to feel sorry for Cocu, the atmosphere at the club must stink at the moment and none of it is his doing. Must wonder what he’s got himself into. He probably didn't organise the "team building" night out, but he did pick the team (I think?) that lost at Forest to create the space in the club's calendar for the event to go ahead. I suppose we could go all the way back to the Wembley Play Off against Q.P.R and start blaming whoever from there..........oh hang on..... So I wonder who's idea it was for the night out and who's idea it was to allow the players to have a few drinks etc, that led to some choosing to have more than a few..........and sadly therefore having to reach this current situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 It's all a bit tragic, regarding the ending of a guys career. Without being involved in the conversation between the club and Keogh, the tone of it etc. it's difficult to even speculate. It's possible that Keogh has had some potentially bad advice (agent, maybe ?) and made a decision without thinking it through, discussing with others. Really do agree with many posters, that for all concerned, the other culprits Bennett and Lawrence should be offloaded as soon as possible. Can we then perhaps move on ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Regardless of everything else, this day is very sad if for nothing other than the finality of it. I’m 25, had a season ticket since I was 6, so I’ve seen him play more than any other Derby player. I’ve never known a player be so consistent in their availability. For many my age - he is Derby County. His distinctive face, mannerisms and playing style defined an era. Maybe not a successful one, but certainly some excellent memories and some fantastic football. That’s what we should’ve been talking about with Richard Keogh. He should have retired a happy man, with a full testimonial in front of the kids. He should be sat down with an ancient Colin Gibson on Rams TV meets in 15 years’ time. We should’ve been debating in the pub with our mates what could’ve been with our rose-tinted spectacles... All those games, all those memories, now pale into insignificance. This is what we will remember him for. Knowing the end, it’s tainted many of the memories when I look back now. I love a good redemption story in sport. Today’s very unfortunate because we will never get one with Richard Keogh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewe Ram Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: No because the 3 cases were not dealt with in a consistent manner Look up the grounds for discrimination claims in employment then tell me which one applies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GadFly Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 “The club will not tolerate any of its players or staff behaving in a manner which puts themselves, their colleagues, and members of the general public at risk of injury or worse, or which brings the club into disrepute. The club will be making no further comment at this time regards this matter until the conclusion of any potential appeal.” How does any of the above not equally relate to Lawrence and Bennett? At least be honest and explain how the club is being sweaty and won't sack them because they're still worth something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley ram Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 On the face of it this looks harsh, but we need to remember a few things: • we don’t know the full extent of The facts / Keoghs contract / his disciplinary hearing / the offer of a revised contract • the club have access to much better HR / legal advice than most ,if not all of us. • on a purely financial basis this seems to make sense. His career was effectively over before today’s events. All else is sentiment from a financial point of view. For the record imho he was a good servant to the club, who performed well most of the time, but as a captain he was 50% of Rob Hindmarch RIP in terms of being a leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozza Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Dark times, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Duracell said: Regardless of everything else, this day is very sad if for nothing other than the finality of it. I’m 25, had a season ticket since I was 6, so I’ve seen him play more than any other Derby player. I’ve never known a player be so consistent in their availability. For many my age - he is Derby County. His distinctive face, mannerisms and playing style defined an era. Maybe not a successful one, but certainly some excellent memories and some fantastic football. That’s what we should’ve been talking about with Richard Keogh. He should have retired a happy man, with a full testimonial in front of the kids. He should be sat down with an ancient Colin Gibson on Rams TV meets in 15 years’ time. We should’ve been debating in the pub with our mates what could’ve been with our rose-tinted spectacles... All those games, all those memories, now pale into insignificance. This is what we will remember him for. Knowing the end, it’s tainted many of the memories when I look back now. I love a good redemption story in sport. Today’s very unfortunate because we will never get one with Richard Keogh. Never say never - Shane Nicholson was the very last person you would have expected to be a senior figure in the club's media profile. I also wonder how the news that Lee Camp is joining in January to replace Kelle Roos will go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: No because the 3 cases were not dealt with in a consistent manner That argument only works if the offence is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ewe Ram said: Look up the grounds for discrimination claims in employment then tell me which one applies. It could be inferred that Keogh was discriminated against regards his disability to be able to play as a footballer to wit his long term injury thereby making him a worthless asset whereby his colleagues even though they also committed acts of gross misconduct were not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GadFly Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Duracell said: Regardless of everything else, this day is very sad if for nothing other than the finality of it. I’m 25, had a season ticket since I was 6, so I’ve seen him play more than any other Derby player. I’ve never known a player be so consistent in their availability. For many my age - he is Derby County. His distinctive face, mannerisms and playing style defined an era. Maybe not a successful one, but certainly some excellent memories and some fantastic football. That’s what we should’ve been talking about with Richard Keogh. He should have retired a happy man, with a full testimonial in front of the kids. He should be sat down with an ancient Colin Gibson on Rams TV meets in 15 years’ time. We should’ve been debating in the pub with our mates what could’ve been with our rose-tinted spectacles... All those games, all those memories, now pale into insignificance. This is what we will remember him for. Knowing the end, it’s tainted many of the memories when I look back now. I love a good redemption story in sport. Today’s very unfortunate because we will never get one with Richard Keogh. "This is what we will remember him for" - this and one other famous moment I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: No because the 3 cases were not dealt with a consistent manner All 3 cases different. We are not aware of the full facts of what happened the club probably are. We are not aware of the contractual obligations of the 3 . So it’s difficult for any of us to 2nd guess why and if or not they have been dealt with consistently . Not a lot can be said by the club until or if RK appeals . If it goes to court then we may find out why but I can’t see why the would sack RK without good reason and he had apparently been given the opportunity not to be sacked which he has declined . Best wait for the facts before we all start making assumptions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GadFly Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Whitley ram said: on a purely financial basis this seems to make sense. His career was effectively over before today’s events. All else is sentiment from a financial point of view. This is basically it. The club aren't saying that though... they're making out like it's a moral thing and that they won't "tolerate" such actions, which makes them look like a bunch of ducking hypocritical Bamfords when you take the Lawrence/Bennett situation in to account in your thinking tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, GadFly said: How does any of the above not equally relate to Lawrence and Bennett? At least be honest and explain how the club is being sweaty and won't sack them because they're still worth something. Really ? You would have to give Bennett away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: Never say never - Shane Nicholson was the very last person you would have expected to be a senior figure in the club's media profile. I also wonder how the news that Lee Camp is joining in January to replace Kelle Roos will go down. If Campy can down at least 3 Peroni and not wrap his motor around a lamp post then I'd welcome him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, therealhantsram said: That argument only works if the offence is the same. Not true. All have been found of gross misconduct. This is the same offence regardless of whether it be stealing, vandalism, fighting etc etc all are classified as gross misconduct. You do not get dismissed for fighting you get dismissed as fighting is categorised as gross misconduct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GadFly Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Trying to defend this decision reeks of tribalistic politics tbh. It's like Liverpool fans defending Suarez for his racism or biting opponents simply because he was THEIR player at the time. Forget the club for a second in your thinking, imagine it was another clubs players, Forest's even, and the whole thing looks a hell of a lot different ... from the perspective of what's morally right/fair/just this is absolute bullcrap, and Lawrence/Bennett should be sacked too if Keogh has been shown the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 36 minutes ago, Marriott Ram99 said: I would like to see Lawrence and Bennett sacked two as they are both crap players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Surely Burnley would have given us something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I would be embarrassed being Bennett or Lawrence after this. Sack all of them or none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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