Stive Pesley Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Van Wolfie said: It looked odd to me that a High Court decision was then so unanimously binned by 11 Supreme Court judges and in such strong terms yesterday. I was surprised too. I think the thing that's undone them in the end was the length of the prorogation, there was no plausible reason for it being that long (other than to prevent parliament holding the process to account). It was pretty much like arriving in A&E with a carrot up your back passage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: I was surprised too. I think the thing that's undone them in the end was the length of the prorogation, there was no plausible reason for it being that long (other than to prevent parliament holding the process to account). It was pretty much like arriving in A&E with a carrot up your back passage... Hey, that was an innocent trip & fall on the vegetable basket incident as you well know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 9 hours ago, Montgolfier said: That's Corbyn when asked about Brexit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 22 hours ago, Montgolfier said: Ah, faith. Brexit has become a cult, no more, no less. Adherents to the cult will never be swayed - if it all goes badly, which many people (ok, the advocates of doom are generally experts in their respective fields, so by definition you have heard enough from them) suggest that it will, then it will be somebody else's fault - the Supreme Court, the EU, Remainers, anyone apart from the people who voted to leave or the self-serving Tory politicians and their financial backers who have been short-selling Sterling and who are now waiting to pick over the rotting corpse of the economy and make billions out of it. This is just like religious cults do when the 'Rapture' doesn't happen when it is supposed to - then it's Satan's fault, they dust themselves down and pull another date from the nearest choirboy's trousers, and it just goes around again. Socialists are a left wing looney cult that hate this country. Brexiteers actually like this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 One good thing about the prorogation of Parliament is that Rees-Mogg is obviously suitably rested - he can sit properly now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 How come the remoaners have taken notice of a Supreme Court ruling but fail to recognise the result of a referendum? They seem a little selective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, cstand said: Socialists are a left wing looney cult that hate this country. Brexiteers actually like this country. So why are they trying to destroy it? We are witnessing the start of the break-up of the United Kingdom. Why should Scotland and Northern Ireland be dragged out against their wishes? It's certainly not 'their' Brexit, but it is seems to fit the wishes of 'Little Englanders'. Big Boris is watching you, Ingsoc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, Van Gritters said: How come the remoaners have taken notice of a Supreme Court ruling but fail to recognise the result of a referendum? They seem a little selective. How come Brexiteers fail to respect the wishes of Scotland and Northern Ireland? It's Engexit really, isn't it? Even the Welsh hate you now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Montgolfier said: How come Brexiteers fail to respect the wishes of Scotland and Northern Ireland? It's Engexit really, isn't it? Even the Welsh hate you now. So was the referendum result based upon which nation voted for what? Is this your latest loop hole? May be you ought to represent Lawrence and Bennett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWC1983 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 The House of Commons tonight, Irrespective of Remain / Leave / Loony left or far right tendancies theres no denying whats happening in full sight of everyone tonight. One side of the House on the offensive speaking with clarity and assurance giving the opposition a hard time. The other side responding with whataboutery and snide comments and behaving like spoilt children. Embarrassing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWC1983 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 11 hours ago, GboroRam said: It's strange but you are right. However I still put myself in the camp that I voted remain, would vote remain again, yet still think because of the high proportion of people who voted leave, we need to leave. Staying in would not work in my opinion. In fact I'd say in a referendum, unless the vote was 2/3rds in favour of repealing article 50, I wouldn't support remaining - change needs to be that radical. But we as a country are so unprepared for leaving. Leaving with some form of deal would mean we can avoid some of the major problems. We can still use the EU infrastructure if we're still part of it. There will be a way for UK exports for those industries that rely on it. We can still ensure we can get access to those things we need, such as medicines and water treatment chemicals. Leaving without a deal would take preparation that we just haven't done. We haven't built the infrastructure that we need in order go work without the EU's assistance. It's possible, but I guess it would take years to put in place, cost a lot of money and mean we have administrative nightmares to sort out. No deal works if you do the spadework, which we don't seem to accept. There's a bravado/foolhardiness of adopting the trenches mentality that we can overcome any sort of setback, that no problem is too great for Blighty to overcome. Now I'm not old enough to remember it, but wasn't the 70s our acceptance that Blighty can't overcome the world alone, that we were sliding into obscurity as a nation? What makes us think we're in a stronger situation that we were then? Oh yes. We've been 40 years one of the largest players in one of the biggest trading blocs in the world, which has helped us cement our place at the table. Maybe that's made people fall into a false sense of security. We didn't get where we are now without being part of something bigger. Can we replace it? Possibly, but not without a lot of preparation and planning. We just haven't tried. Too much blagging and bravado, the EU won't walk away without a deal, we're too important. However they've shown they aren't going to back down from the deal that May agreed, and rather than admit there's egg on British faces we're just going to leave and show them how wrong they were. It's almost schoolboy in it's petulance. Pretty much sums up where I am and how I currently see things at the moment. Its a shame some people cant debate without resorting to implied insults, but when our politicians are doing it I guess others follow suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Very interesting listen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 41 minutes ago, CWC1983 said: The other side responding with whataboutery and snide comments and behaving like spoilt children. Embarrassing Just shameful when Johnson was asked to respect the memory of Jo Cox by moderating his language to stop talking about "traitors, betrayals" etc - and he stood up and said she was talking humbug. Is he just being as deliberately offensive as possible now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWC1983 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Just shameful when Johnson was asked to respect the memory of Jo Cox by moderating his language to stop talking about "traitors, betrayals" etc - and he stood up and said she was talking humbug. Is he just being as deliberately offensive as possible now? I know. I tried to watch it as dispassionately as possible to judge both sides of the house reaction to the past few weeks and to see if anything had moved on. My voting history has seen me put a cross in the blue box more often than not, but this current version of the Torries make me sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Van Gritters said: How come the remoaners have taken notice of a Supreme Court ruling but fail to recognise the result of a referendum? They seem a little selective. They also fail to recognise the National Crime Agency no evidence against Leave.EU and Arron Banks of any criminal offences as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 hours ago, cstand said: Socialists are a left wing looney cult that hate this country. Brexiteers actually like this country. ducking hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ram for All Seasons Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Van Gritters said: How come the remoaners have taken notice of a Supreme Court ruling but fail to recognise the result of a referendum? They seem a little selective. The Supreme Court has confirmed the sovereignty of Parliament. Remoaner and non-remoaner MPs have joined together to approve the Benn bill that requires Boris Johnson to go to the EU and ask the EU to allow Britain to stay on for a bit longer if no acceptable deal is reached (which it won't be). . Parliament is sovereign and can decide whatever it wants, provided there is a majority. I look forward to Boris being found "dead in a ditch" (his words) on 31 October. He should do as he is told by parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, SchtivePesley said: Just shameful when Johnson was asked to respect the memory of Jo Cox by moderating his language to stop talking about "traitors, betrayals" etc - and he stood up and said she was talking humbug. Is he just being as deliberately offensive as possible now? Labour guy on newsnight made good point on this. It's calculated to divert attention away from all the questions they wouldn't answer, such as when the date changed on Yellowhammer reports and who authorised it. Johnson is vile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: Labour guy on newsnight made good point on this. It's calculated to divert attention away from all the questions they wouldn't answer, such as when the date changed on Yellowhammer reports and who authorised it. Johnson is vile. He has exactly zero redeeming features - truly "Britain's Trump". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Montgolfier said: He has exactly zero redeeming features - truly "Britain's Trump". I think you mean "Britain Trump". That's what we are calling him according to the senile fool. Look up the video if you haven't seen it, it's hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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