BaaLocks Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, StivePesley said: With the Welsh Tory MP in Brecon unseated as a result of expenses fraud and Mark Field maybe going the same way after assaulting a peaceful female protester last night - the Tories get ever further from a working majority. If the DUP withdraw their support, a general election is the only realistic option Mark Field - interesting one. Analogy: two female Forest fans in the Derby end start mouthing off and refuse to leave - what would happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, BaaLocks said: Mark Field - interesting one. Analogy: two female Forest fans in the Derby end start mouthing off and refuse to leave - what would happen? Probably the same or worse, knowing the state of some football fans. I can guarantee though that there would be more people in that Derby end disgusted by any Derby fan who publicly assaulted a non-violent female I guess the question is - why would two Forest fans be mouthing off about climate change in the Derby end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, StivePesley said: Probably the same or worse, knowing the state of some football fans. I can guarantee though that there would be more people in that Derby end disgusted by any Derby fan who publicly assaulted a non-violent female I guess the question is - why would two Forest fans be mouthing off about climate change in the Derby end? I get your point, and you are right, but I also think that someone protesting at a private event should go in with an understanding that it may well get nasty. I don't condone - at all - grabbing her by the neck, especially from a guest, but the behaviour is undeniably provocative. Security should have handled it but if she refuses to leave then she has to be removed, in the least aggressive way possible. That didn't happen, Field shouldn't have done what he did but I also have some sympathy for how he got to that place. As for the Forest fans, well they've got nothing else to bang on about have they? Certainly nothing worth saying from a football perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ketteringram Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 32 minutes ago, StivePesley said: With the Welsh Tory MP in Brecon unseated as a result of expenses fraud and Mark Field maybe going the same way after assaulting a peaceful female protester last night - the Tories get ever further from a working majority. If the DUP withdraw their support, a general election is the only realistic option Unless that election returned a big majority for the Brexit party, or the lib dems, I can't see how it would alter anything with regards to Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, BaaLocks said: I get your point, and you are right, but I also think that someone protesting at a private event should go in with an understanding that it may well get nasty. I don't condone - at all - grabbing her by the neck, especially from a guest, but the behaviour is undeniably provocative. Security should have handled it but if she refuses to leave then she has to be removed, in the least aggressive way possible. That didn't happen, Field shouldn't have done what he did but I also have some sympathy for how he got to that place. As for the Forest fans, well they've got nothing else to bang on about have they? Certainly nothing worth saying from a football perspective. I was half watching one of the attendees being interviewed on BBC Breakfast this morning. Charlie Stayt was laying it on thick about what happened being unacceptable and I thought the response was good - how would the BBC react if people had just wandered in and done the same?. Answer: they'd be man-handled out of the building in the same way. I accept the footage doesn't look great but have sympathies with the MP who reacted, not knowing what was going to happen next. As always, we don't get to find out the entire context of the event. The fact that he's a Tory MP is completely irrelevant. I've seen footage of hecklers being "dealt with" at Momentum and UKIP events and it aint pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I suppose global geopolitics have to be squeezed in here next to Boris. What about US and Iran? What's going on? Will John Bolton finally get the war he has been dreaming about for decades ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, Wolfie said: I accept the footage doesn't look great but have sympathies with the MP who reacted, not knowing what was going to happen next. I'm enjoying the commentariat lines of "what if she had a gun/knife/bomb?" when we all know in that situation he'd have been under the table in a pair of badly soiled trousers. It's not a good look for him that none of the other 300 guests felt the need to do that to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, StivePesley said: I'm enjoying the commentariat lines of "what if she had a gun/knife/bomb?" when we all know in that situation he'd have been under the table in a pair of badly soiled trousers. It's not a good look for him that none of the other 300 guests felt the need to do that to her. Because they were already soiling themselves under the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 49 minutes ago, BaaLocks said: Mark Field - interesting one. Analogy: two female Forest fans in the Derby end start mouthing off and refuse to leave - what would happen? One of the incidents would produce a court appearance, resulting in a fine, a banning order and a criminal record. Along with the perpetrator being vilified in the press as a thuggish hooligan. While the other incident will resulting in a lot of hot air being produced from the meaningless statements made to the press. A quiet chat with a senior police officer and a possible slap on the wrist for the the aggressor in the incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Not that this will surprise anyone, but regardless of who wins the Tory leadership contest the best chance the Tories have got of remaining in power at the next general election is by delivering Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, maxjam said: Not that this will surprise anyone, but regardless of who wins the Tory leadership contest the best chance the Tories have got of remaining in power at the next general election is by delivering Brexit. Kind of tells you what a state we're in as a country when 9/12% would still vote for the Brexit Party even after we've left! Not sure I quite understand why the Labour and Green votes go up slightly if we Brexit either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, StivePesley said: Kind of tells you what a state we're in as a country when 9/12% would still vote for the Brexit Party even after we've left! Not sure I quite understand why the Labour and Green votes go up slightly if we Brexit either Labour voters include a sizeable chunk of leave supporters. I'm surprised it isn't more traditional Labour vote supporting the brexit party during the current impasse. Green, though, no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 21 minutes ago, maxjam said: Not that this will surprise anyone, but regardless of who wins the Tory leadership contest the best chance the Tories have got of remaining in power at the next general election is by delivering Brexit. What's most disappointing to me, as a labour supporter, is that the blue line is a vote for more austerity. And regardless of what Brexit does or doesn't mean, around 43-45% of the electorate still support more austerity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, GboroRam said: What's most disappointing to me, as a labour supporter, is that the blue line is a vote for more austerity. And regardless of what Brexit does or doesn't mean, around 43-45% of the electorate still support more austerity. Agree - I think it's that the blue people on that chart are those who don't think austerity affects them as they don't feel it in their wallet What's truly sad is that they don't even realise that they are feeling it in other more pernicious ways. And we know that's true because they spend all day bitching an social media about how sad they are about the collapse of social values, the homeless, knife crime, police "not doing anything", NHS waiting lists, poor public transport, the housing market, ineffecient local councils etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 22 minutes ago, StivePesley said: Agree - I think it's that the blue people on that chart are those who don't think austerity affects them as they don't feel it in their wallet What's truly sad is that they don't even realise that they are feeling it in other more pernicious ways. And we know that's true because they spend all day bitching an social media about how sad they are about the collapse of social values, the homeless, knife crime, police "not doing anything", NHS waiting lists, poor public transport, the housing market, ineffecient local councils etc etc This was in the paper last week . Begs the question why would this be allowed to continue, a blunt knife isn't an ideal solution Nottinghamshire Police are being criticised over proposals to hand out blunt knives to victims of domestic abuse to lower attacks. The new scheme involves offering to replace kitchen knives with special ‘no point’ knives to people who have been threatened or attacked with a blade. Officers say they are concerned about the amount of knife-related crimes taking place in people’s homes and hope the new scheme has the potential to save lives. However some residents have slammed the scheme as ineffective and a waste of taxpayer’s money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 The strong point in here is that Labour vote is down in the 'no Brexit' scenario as well. I am the strongest of remainers but this is the evidence we need to confirm that your choice is sadly Brexit or Farage. Jeez - ain't that a devil and the deep blue sea of a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 3 hours ago, GboroRam said: What's most disappointing to me, as a labour supporter, is that the blue line is a vote for more austerity. And regardless of what Brexit does or doesn't mean, around 43-45% of the electorate still support more austerity. I suspect the issue is more that a significant number of voters are fearful of Corbyn gaining power and the return to too much power with the unions. Too many people with memories of Robinson, Scargill and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 5 hours ago, Wolfie said: Because they were already soiling themselves under the table? They looked mostly over 70. Probably soiling themselves in their chairs......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 hours ago, HantsRam said: They looked mostly over 70. Probably soiling themselves in their chairs......? They do that when they cough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I know politicians should be allowed a private life and all that but wow... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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