neil62uk Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Just now, eddie said: Just how utterly thick can you be? Using a comma instead of an apostrophe - bizarre. the names in question are not worthy of an apostrophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramblur Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 53 minutes ago, eddie said: Just how utterly thick can you be? Using a comma instead of an apostrophe - bizarre. Ah eddie,you could have had a field day with me recently. "Epitomy", "lack lustre"," Leeds's",being just a few I noticed after edit time had expired.Then there's the awful punctuation and repetition of the same adjectives within sentences. "Ginseng,ginseng here I come, Ginseng,here I come." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 59 minutes ago, ramblur said: Ah eddie,you could have had a field day with me recently. "Epitomy", "lack lustre"," Leeds's",being just a few I noticed after edit time had expired.Then there's the awful punctuation and repetition of the same adjectives within sentences. "Ginseng,ginseng here I come, Ginseng,here I come." I never mock the afflicted. Oh, wait.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsene Titman Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Someone can do the proper link but the gist from the Daily Mail is: Derby County set for legal fight over unfair dismissal with chief executive Sam Rush close to the axe Sam Rush looks sure to be axed - sparking a £1.5m claim for unfair dismissal Club owner Mel Morris has already criticised Rush for transfer mistakes By CHARLES SALE FOR THE DAILY MAIL PUBLISHED: 22:31 BST, 1 May 2017 | UPDATED: 22:31 BST, 1 May 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramblur Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 18 minutes ago, Arsene Titman said: By CHARLES, SALE FOR THE DAILY MAIL Somehow managed to sell 1 copy then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 23 minutes ago, Arsene Titman said: Someone can do the proper link but the gist from the Daily Mail is: Derby County set for legal fight over unfair dismissal with chief executive Sam Rush close to the axe Sam Rush looks sure to be axed - sparking a £1.5m claim for unfair dismissal Club owner Mel Morris has already criticised Rush for transfer mistakes By CHARLES SALE FOR THE DAILY MAIL PUBLISHED: 22:31 BST, 1 May 2017 | UPDATED: 22:31 BST, 1 May 2017 Say it was for 'transfer mistakes' surely it isn't on Rush? The biggest issues with our transfers I'd say was probably the targets identified, not the actual signing, since Rush seems to get most deals over the line. Though, it is the dailymail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 It would be interesting to make a list of all the controversies that have allegedly kicked off (or not) over the years surrounding Derby county, also to compare against other clubs. Gabbiadini and Kitson scrapping Fuertes dodgy passport Liam Dickinson and Stephen Pearsons house George Burley and Marcus Tudgay Russell Hoult and lady's of the night Jimmy Jewell and lady's in general Paul Clement and insert rumour here .......... The 3 amigos Sam Rush fall from grace Billy Davies and 'that comment' at wembley The list goes on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Maybe less to do with who we signed but more the contracts we put them on? I think Rush has done a lot of good things for this club. Hope this isn't a case of another rash decision from our chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 1 minute ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: It would be interesting to make a list of all the controversies that have allegedly kicked off (or not) over the years surrounding Derby county, also to compare against other clubs. Gabbiadini and Kitson scrapping Fuertes dodgy passport Liam Dickinson and Stephen Pearsons house George Burley and Marcus Tudgay Russell Hoult and lady's of the night Jimmy Jewell and lady's in general Paul Clement and insert rumour here .......... The 3 amigos Sam Rush fall from grace Billy Davies and 'that comment' at wembley The list goes on Well if you're including rumours, may as well stick the missing German CB in the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Ramalot Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: It would be interesting to make a list of all the controversies that have allegedly kicked off (or not) over the years surrounding Derby county, also to compare against other clubs. Gabbiadini and Kitson scrapping Fuertes dodgy passport Liam Dickinson and Stephen Pearsons house George Burley and Marcus Tudgay Russell Hoult and lady's of the night Jimmy Jewell and lady's in general Paul Clement and insert rumour here .......... The 3 amigos Sam Rush fall from grace Billy Davies and 'that comment' at wembley The list goes on What was the dicko and Pearson one? Semis or detached? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Any deal to terminate Rush contract will inevitably have a gagging clause, so we will never get a warts and all interview with Rush. Rush made one bad decision in his time here, which was the Ipro deal. Any one with common sense would realise after one look at their accounts this was not a long term deal to sign up to. (Yes they could walk away but the brand reputation for DCFC would be damaged). Greater influence on transfers could have been said but I'm mor than sure that MM sanctions the transfers and thus over ruled Rush if there was any objection. For me though, any senior job (Football Manager or CEO) in DCFC is a poisoned chalice because you are a puppet to a temperamental owner. However you will get a heck of a payday when you eventually get sacked.... (Could be three months or three years). Rush will take a little bit of time out and then become CEO of a Premier league team. I'm confident on that. His commercial acumen (stadium deal aside) for me is generally good and turnover has increased at Derby. There will be no end of positives he can demonstrate from turnover increasing, attendance figures, commercial revenue, merchandise revenue, training ground development etc etc And we are still stuck with Paul Tyrell in there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 13 hours ago, feisty said: I suspect if SR leaves, he’ll end up at a club higher up the pyramid than Derby. That shows that he is a valuable employee. I sometimes wonder about our corporate governance (mainly as that is the area I work in): The Board of a large firm should be chaired by a non-executive chairman, and have independent directors on it as well as executive directors (CEO, Finance Director etc) so as to challenge the executive on their performance. Challenge is intended to weed out bad plans, and further improve good plans. The Board set the strategy (the five year plan or whatever), set the performance targets, and then hold the executive to account on delivering against it. That plan may include improving the academy or facilities and agreeing the targets for all that. It may include targets on the playing side too (x points, playing style, whatever). A budget is set for the executive to operate within. The Executive (led by the CEO on the non-playing side and the manager on the playing side) are responsible for delivering against that strategy. They have a clear set of targets against which to be measured and should be left to get on and deliver against those with their performance reviewed at board meetings, with certain major decisions escalated to the Board for approval (e.g. signing players above a certain cost, changing structure of academy etc) I think DCFC largely adhere to the above structure. But there are important aspects for the above to work: a) The Executive and Board/Chair both value challenge of their views, and – very importantly - the challenge is done constructively. I don't know how Mel operates to know what kind of culture there is around challenge of his views; and also whether his challenge of others is constructive. It may well be a good culture. I simply don’t know. b) The Board/Chair don’t get involved in executive decisions. This muddies responsibilities and accountability and can undermine the authority of the executive, and lead to a disjointed approach. This impacts on the ability of the executive to do their job well. It feels Mel has crossed a line here once or twice on the playing side; e.g. going into the changing room to yell at the players; implying Derby should be playing a certain formation etc in the statement about the Clement sacking. I don’t know whether he has similarly got involved in the non-playing side from an executive (rather than non-executive) perspective. Mel himself said that the process around the signings of Johnson, Butterfield, Camara and Blackman didn’t work that well. Mel said the plan included having a pathway to the first team yet he sanctioned the signing of those players anyhow and said that was a (well intentioned) mistake. Credit to him for recognising his mistake. But the question for me is: How did that mistake come to pass and what can be done to prevent similar mistakes in the future? For example, did the Board/Mel challenge Clement/Rush on how these signings fitted into the strategy/plan? If not, why not? Or were the Board not consulted? Again, if not, why not? Is corporate governance bypassed on some issues; or is Mel such a dominant personality that there aren’t enough checks on him even though the process is technically being followed? Now it’s his money at the end of the day. But I’m sure he wants robust characters to challenge him so that he ends up with a better outcome for DCFC. Or is the structure I describe fine for running a corporate firm but unrealistic in the environment of a football club!? As I finish this rather verbose post, I recognise it is a tad nerdy. Sorry to anyone who has read it and is bored! Are you sure? Last time I checked DCFC were owned by Gedlaw Ltd of which there are two directors, Mel Morris and Sam Rush. (95/5% share holdings approx). So the owner, main shareholder and pretty much everything is all controlled by one individual. I'm guessing this is no different to a lot of football clubs though although I bet a lot of the owners remain independent. For instance, Abramovich owns Chelsea but Bruce Buck is the chairman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramslad1992 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 20 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: It would be interesting to make a list of all the controversies that have allegedly kicked off (or not) over the years surrounding Derby county, also to compare against other clubs. Gabbiadini and Kitson scrapping Fuertes dodgy passport Liam Dickinson and Stephen Pearsons house George Burley and Marcus Tudgay Russell Hoult and lady's of the night Jimmy Jewell and lady's in general Paul Clement and insert rumour here .......... The 3 amigos Sam Rush fall from grace Billy Davies and 'that comment' at wembley The list goes on We've had more bad luck than Harchester united had in Dream Team! Every year there seems to be something that de rails us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibby Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4463732/Derby-County-set-legal-fight-Sam-Rush.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteroseram Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 30 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: It would be interesting to make a list of all the controversies that have allegedly kicked off (or not) over the years surrounding Derby county, also to compare against other clubs. Gabbiadini and Kitson scrapping Fuertes dodgy passport Liam Dickinson and Stephen Pearsons house George Burley and Marcus Tudgay Russell Hoult and lady's of the night Jimmy Jewell and lady's in general Paul Clement and insert rumour here .......... The 3 amigos Sam Rush fall from grace Billy Davies and 'that comment' at wembley The list goes on I don't remember Liam Dickinson and Stephen Pearsons house or George Burley and Marcus Tudgay, anyone care to enlighten me? (I know it's only rumours whatever it was) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Oh dear, more turmoil this will be one hell of a payoff he will get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Just hope this is all a non-story... If true Morris will go down in my estimation from idiot to something stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsene Titman Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/04/30/derby-county-chairmanmel-morris-preparing-axe-chief-executive/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Didn't know anything about an FA enquiry into wassail jnr. Looks on the face of it like a potential conflict of interest if he's wearing both dcfc and wmg hats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 7 hours ago, rammieib said: Any deal to terminate Rush contract will inevitably have a gagging clause, so we will never get a warts and all interview with Rush. Rush made one bad decision in his time here, which was the Ipro deal. Any one with common sense would realise after one look at their accounts this was not a long term deal to sign up to. (Yes they could walk away but the brand reputation for DCFC would be damaged). Greater influence on transfers could have been said but I'm mor than sure that MM sanctions the transfers and thus over ruled Rush if there was any objection. For me though, any senior job (Football Manager or CEO) in DCFC is a poisoned chalice because you are a puppet to a temperamental owner. However you will get a heck of a payday when you eventually get sacked.... (Could be three months or three years). Rush will take a little bit of time out and then become CEO of a Premier league team. I'm confident on that. His commercial acumen (stadium deal aside) for me is generally good and turnover has increased at Derby. There will be no end of positives he can demonstrate from turnover increasing, attendance figures, commercial revenue, merchandise revenue, training ground development etc etc And we are still stuck with Paul Tyrell in there! I'm not sure the iPro deal was that bad. It was money for old rope and as far as I can see has caused no damage whatsoever, aside of some sticklers getting their knickers in a twist about tradition (even though Stadium was less than 20 years old!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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