Pat Murphy on Mel Morris

[ColonelBlimp]

On 19/03/2017 at 21:21, reveldevil said:

Haven't a clue what you're on about tbh, i push buttons in a factory all day for 40k a year.

Can i have one of those jobs?

[Rev]

13 minutes ago, ColonelBlimp said:

Can i have one of those jobs?

It's compensation for working in Nottingham!

[Steve How Hard?]

1 hour ago, reveldevil said:

It's compensation for working in Nottingham!

You deserve a pay rise then. See your boss immediately and tell him to get his six fingered hand in his pocket. 

[Alph]

On 19/03/2017 at 21:21, reveldevil said:

Haven't a clue what you're on about tbh, i push buttons in a factory all day for 40k a year.

Kim Jong Un wants to know more about this 

[BobbyD]

On 20 March 2017 at 00:03, rammieib said:

Meddling chairman who long to be involved in the football side but obviously cannot appoint themselves as chairman will not have a successful football club. Period.

Should a chairman be talking with players ... Absolutely not if its talking about the manager who sits in between them in the reporting lines.

Should a chairman be going through the match after a game.... Absolutely not if its to constantly question the manager and his decisions etc

Sorry, but any chairman should simply stay away football until the days he authorises player signings and sacking/appointing managers (Both frequent at Derby). He should lay down and approve the strategic vision off the field and Sam should be delivering that.

Anything else, I simply don't agree. Chairman who own the club carry too much power. We fall into this category. Really disappointed with this.

Well said

Mel is demonstrating absolutely classical signs of behaviours that are very obvious to those who have experience of the corporate world that he previously inhabited where he made all his millions.

It is very common for people like him , who have been successful in business, and who have made pots of money, to start believing their own hype. They believe they have some special, unworldly ability and possess rare gifts of knowledge and acumen  that allowed them to become successful. They feel that these gifts are fully transferable to any situation that they care to look upon. They believe they are pretty well unbeatable  and have no need to be answerable to anyone : their bank balance being used as justification for this. It is proof of their superior ability, in their eyes. They are untouchable , only they know the answers. 

On the other hand, there are others who come out of that same world, with similar wealth to their name, who have recognised the real reasons behind their success. They were in the right place at the right time, they had an exceptional team of people behind them who, if truth be known, created that wealth. They know their own limitations and are aware that, actually, their expertise actually only applied to a very narrow and specialised industry or market. In other words, they demonstrate maturity.  They recognise their own limitations, however wealthy they may be. Lionel is perhaps a good example. 

In Mel, we have got the former. Flawed, somewhat deluded, not particularly mature. 

But that is what we have got. 

I guess for the fans, though, its a pretty simple choice. Would you prefer a deluded multi-millionaire at the helm and hope that he eventually gets the message. Or an overseas gambler with no affinity to the club or town who is after a plaything and kudos who hopes to eventually dine at the top table. Would you prefer a Milosevic, a Vincent Tan, or a Cellino. 

Or stick with a Mel ? 

Its really no choice. 

[Ewe Ram]

I would love to ask every one of those sat in the stadium booing at our abject performances if they think that Mel should have given any of the managers more time. 

I'd like to ask those who were chanting 'what the f***ing hell was that?' at the Pirelli stadium when we were a bumbling team of idiots if Pearson should have had more time. 

I think those who think that Mel was trigger happy and posting it on this forum are firmly in the minority. Some of the assumptions made about Mel Morris on this forum are beyond belief. 

[Rev]

3 minutes ago, Ewe Ram said:

I would love to ask every one of those sat in the stadium booing at our abject performances if they think that Mel should have given any of the managers more time. 

I'd like to ask those who were chanting 'what the f***ing hell was that?' at the Pirelli stadium when we were a bumbling team of idiots if Pearson should have had more time. 

I think those who think that Mel was trigger happy and posting it on this forum are firmly in the minority. Some of the assumptions made about Mel Morris on this forum are beyond belief. 

I've never booed the players, and haven't been critical on here of them really.

I've been quite happy with Clement, Mac 1&2, and Wassall.

Pearson was a knob though, so he got that one right.

It's quite possible to love DCFC, and like Mel Morris personally, yet still question his decision making in a forum which is the ideal place for it.

[Pearl Ram]

Straight out of the top drawer that rev. 

[cannable]

18 minutes ago, Ewe Ram said:

I would love to ask every one of those sat in the stadium booing at our abject performances if they think that Mel should have given any of the managers more time. 

I'd like to ask those who were chanting 'what the f***ing hell was that?' at the Pirelli stadium when we were a bumbling team of idiots if Pearson should have had more time. 

I think those who think that Mel was trigger happy and posting it on this forum are firmly in the minority. Some of the assumptions made about Mel Morris on this forum are beyond belief. 

This is making the huge (and incorrect) assumption that those who boo are also those who criticise Mel's trigger finger. 

 

[robglosta]

On 20 March 2017 at 20:29, Alpha said:

Yeah, thank God that Pearson did whatever he did because it gave a good excuse. He might go on to be a success next but here... it just did not fit. Ironic after what was said in his press conference on day 1.

Obviously you was at the first meeting and it was similar to the second. Mel gives his reasons and you can understand them. Always you can see that he's very very serious about making Derby a success. He isn't here to make money or even make friends. He's here to put Derby back on the radar of Man United and Liverpool. To make sure these teams acknowledge we exist! To command respect in domestic football again.

But that doesn't mean any of us would do things the way he has or agree with him.

To be honest I think he's ok with that. Or he said he is.

No way will he take people making stuff up though as we know. 

I really want us to love him. I really want him to enjoy his time with DCFC. But it's been a very turbulent start. It's a fiery relationship. 

Pleeeeaaaaase let us just steady the ship.

100% agree with you on Rowett too. It's like Clough all over again.

We really wasted that play off final squad. Not just Mel but all of us. Fans put too much pressure on. Mac tinkered too much. Mel got angry too quick. Even luck was against us with injuries. Since then everyone has continued down a bad path. What a football tragedy for Derby. 

 

That was my deep hope for Mac v2... To use the rest of the season to make full and proper assessments of the squad in a competitive environment and then be given the support and tools needed for a critical summer of rebuilding. 

As it is now, that same deep hope has transferred to Rowett but with every manager Mel chops down I lose a little bit of faith in the direction we are travelling.  GR is a hungry young manager, that will undoubtedly need time and support - this next spell will let us know whether Mel has learnt from the previous mistakes and we will get a club and manager we can be proud of; or whether he is as erratic as many of us feel he is and we start to be a QPR or Cardiff that no exciting manager would ever consider being a part of. 

Give him 3 years minimum, Mel! 

[Ewe Ram]

38 minutes ago, cannable said:

This is making the huge (and incorrect) assumption that those who boo are also those who criticise Mel's trigger finger. 

 

...right... so what did they want to happen then? Booing is voicing a protest and they want their voice to be heard 

[cannable]

1 hour ago, Ewe Ram said:

...right... so what did they want to happen then? Booing is voicing a protest and they want their voice to be heard 

You think people who boo have the brain capacity to think that deeply? 

[archied]

3 hours ago, robglosta said:

That was my deep hope for Mac v2... To use the rest of the season to make full and proper assessments of the squad in a competitive environment and then be given the support and tools needed for a critical summer of rebuilding. 

As it is now, that same deep hope has transferred to Rowett but with every manager Mel chops down I lose a little bit of faith in the direction we are travelling.  GR is a hungry young manager, that will undoubtedly need time and support - this next spell will let us know whether Mel has learnt from the previous mistakes and we will get a club and manager we can be proud of; or whether he is as erratic as many of us feel he is and we start to be a QPR or Cardiff that no exciting manager would ever consider being a part of. 

Give him 3 years minimum, Mel! 

I feel your spot on with your views on where we are now in that I also really believe that how the rowett tenure pans out will tell us what we need to know about Mel and his chances of building the Derby county he wants and us fans want ,, it will be extremely hard to find any reason to not give rowett the time and support to build a team having appointed him to do that ,,, my gut tells me rowett is the right man for Mel at the right time but I may be wrong and if he is dispatched double quick then I will be looking no further than Mel for where the problems lie

[rammieib]

5 hours ago, BobbyD said:

Well said

Mel is demonstrating absolutely classical signs of behaviours that are very obvious to those who have experience of the corporate world that he previously inhabited where he made all his millions.

It is very common for people like him , who have been successful in business, and who have made pots of money, to start believing their own hype. They believe they have some special, unworldly ability and possess rare gifts of knowledge and acumen  that allowed them to become successful. They feel that these gifts are fully transferable to any situation that they care to look upon. They believe they are pretty well unbeatable  and have no need to be answerable to anyone : their bank balance being used as justification for this. It is proof of their superior ability, in their eyes. They are untouchable , only they know the answers. 

On the other hand, there are others who come out of that same world, with similar wealth to their name, who have recognised the real reasons behind their success. They were in the right place at the right time, they had an exceptional team of people behind them who, if truth be known, created that wealth. They know their own limitations and are aware that, actually, their expertise actually only applied to a very narrow and specialised industry or market. In other words, they demonstrate maturity.  They recognise their own limitations, however wealthy they may be. Lionel is perhaps a good example. 

In Mel, we have got the former. Flawed, somewhat deluded, not particularly mature. 

But that is what we have got. 

I guess for the fans, though, its a pretty simple choice. Would you prefer a deluded multi-millionaire at the helm and hope that he eventually gets the message. Or an overseas gambler with no affinity to the club or town who is after a plaything and kudos who hopes to eventually dine at the top table. Would you prefer a Milosevic, a Vincent Tan, or a Cellino. 

Or stick with a Mel ? 

Its really no choice. 

It's no choice only because he's from Derby and he's English. Those two traits aside is he really that different from a Milosevic or a Tan? I'll leave Celino out of it - he's just corrupt as the tax authorities in Italy say.

[sunnyhill60]

3 hours ago, robglosta said:

That was my deep hope for Mac v2... To use the rest of the season to make full and proper assessments of the squad in a competitive environment and then be given the support and tools needed for a critical summer of rebuilding. 

As it is now, that same deep hope has transferred to Rowett but with every manager Mel chops down I lose a little bit of faith in the direction we are travelling.  GR is a hungry young manager, that will undoubtedly need time and support - this next spell will let us know whether Mel has learnt from the previous mistakes and we will get a club and manager we can be proud of; or whether he is as erratic as many of us feel he is and we start to be a QPR or Cardiff that no exciting manager would ever consider being a part of. 

Give him 3 years minimum, Mel! 

The chances of avoiding a poor run over 3 whole years are zero - so I fear you may be disappointed

[TommyPowell]

On 3/19/2017 at 20:14, Ewe Ram said:

I still can't help wondering why the voice of this forum is saying 'give the manager time' whether that was Clement or McClaren or is Rowett but the voices in the stadium go 'boooooooo!!!!!' 

exactly there hasnt been a manager sacked by Derby which most of the fans agreed with so ffs dont get on a guys back for doing exactly what you would have doneLets go through the list

Clemence hired to play attractive football didnt deliver

Mclaren would not commit to the club sent packing with the fans total backing

Wassall did a fair job but was always caretaker 

Pearson thank god he was sacked before he ruined our club

mclaren 2nd time around qw all know how loud the clamour was to sack him

do lets not look back with rose coloured glasses and agree with any two but journalist who is scrapping the barrel for a story

[barnsley ram]

3 hours ago, TommyPowel said:

exactly there hasnt been a manager sacked by Derby which most of the fans agreed with so ffs dont get on a guys back for doing exactly what you would have doneLets go through the list

Clemence hired to play attractive football didnt deliver

Mclaren would not commit to the club sent packing with the fans total backing

Wassall did a fair job but was always caretaker 

Pearson thank god he was sacked before he ruined our club

mclaren 2nd time around qw all know how loud the clamour was to sack him

do lets not look back with rose coloured glasses and agree with any two but journalist who is scrapping the barrel for a story

all four  good managers none of them given a fair chance sometimes things get worse before they get better so lets hope mel and the fans show more patience with the new manager

[G STAR RAM]

27 minutes ago, barnsley ram said:

all four  good managers none of them given a fair chance sometimes things get worse before they get better so lets hope mel and the fans show more patience with the new manager

I am interested to know what evidence you have for stating all 4 are good managers?

Do you have any knowledge of how they all work on a day to say basis?

For me, 2 key parts of football management are (1) getting the best out of players (2) having the ability to galvanize a team when things are going against you.

McClaren showed number 1 but definitely not number 2.

Clement and Pearson showed neither really.

Wassall showed bits of both but he was the one that suffered most at the hands of the fans I would suggest.

[Day]

7 hours ago, rammieib said:

It's no choice only because he's from Derby and he's English. Those two traits aside is he really that different from a Milosevic or a Tan? I'll leave Celino out of it - he's just corrupt as the tax authorities in Italy say.

Just made me choke on my hash brown! 

Tan, only met Warnock 4 months after getting the job, wasn't till mid Jan. Couple seasons ago he would only sign someone with an 8 in his birth date, questioned why his keeper isn't scoring goals, changed their kit/badge from Blue to Red and discussed changing their name to Cardiff Dragons. When Hudson scored against us from the halfway line he asked the defenders to all try shooting from there more often.

As for Slobodan Milosevic my hash browns are getting cold

[G STAR RAM]

8 hours ago, rammieib said:

It's no choice only because he's from Derby and he's English. Those two traits aside is he really that different from a Milosevic or a Tan? I'll leave Celino out of it - he's just corrupt as the tax authorities in Italy say.

When he sees comments like this he must be very tempted to re-mortgage the ground, re-mortgage Moor Farm, sell the players that he has bought, suspend his £1m to £2m input per month that keeps us afloat, and sell to someone like Tan.