RadioactiveWaste Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 16 minutes ago, David said: Just made me choke on my hash brown! Tan, only met Warnock 4 months after getting the job, wasn't till mid Jan. Couple seasons ago he would only sign someone with an 8 in his birth date, questioned why his keeper isn't scoring goals, changed their kit/badge from Blue to Red and discussed changing their name to Cardiff Dragons. When Hudson scored against us from the halfway line he asked the defenders to all try shooting from there more often. As for Slobodan Milosevic my hash browns are getting cold Tan's antics at Cardiff I find highly amusing, but then I did used to live in Swansea. I don't think Mel is as bad or as meddling as could be made out, if you were looking for something there's enough there to find, and naturally, everyone sacked will believe its unfair and/or they were on the cusp of turning it around and succeeding. Its clear though, chairman Mel is utterly ruthless. Its a cruel game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 25 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: I don't think Mel is as bad or as meddling as could be made out, if you were looking for something there's enough there to find, and naturally, everyone sacked will believe its unfair and/or they were on the cusp of turning it around and succeeding. Its clear though, chairman Mel is utterly ruthless. Its a cruel game. We say Mel is ruthless, ask why the club are so poor communicating with fans yet when they do it's completely ignored as it doesn't fit the agenda, Sam Rush said the other day.... On 20/03/2017 at 16:47, David said: 2.5. SR reinforced that recent decisions over the management of the first team had been deliberated carefully. 2.6. SR stated that decisions taken by the Club were not MM working in isolation. Must be frustrating looking on and a feeling of what's the point, fans need that scapegoat, one person to direct all frustration at and whilst Mel is in the throne and a Keogh captain they will continue to take all the flak regardless. You wont find anywhere on this forum Sam Rush being criticised for his part in the sackings, don't forget that when he arrived in January Clough was gone by September, 9 months, 2 months into the new season they had just backed him in the summer. Turned out to be a great decision, ruthless as it may have seemed given the timing. I still don't agree with the McClaren 2 departure, not at all, maybe I'm not ruthless enough as you do need to be in football, sometimes it pays off, others not so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 13 hours ago, BobbyD said: Well said Mel is demonstrating absolutely classical signs of behaviours that are very obvious to those who have experience of the corporate world that he previously inhabited where he made all his millions. It is very common for people like him , who have been successful in business, and who have made pots of money, to start believing their own hype. They believe they have some special, unworldly ability and possess rare gifts of knowledge and acumen that allowed them to become successful. They feel that these gifts are fully transferable to any situation that they care to look upon. They believe they are pretty well unbeatable and have no need to be answerable to anyone : their bank balance being used as justification for this. It is proof of their superior ability, in their eyes. They are untouchable , only they know the answers. On the other hand, there are others who come out of that same world, with similar wealth to their name, who have recognised the real reasons behind their success. They were in the right place at the right time, they had an exceptional team of people behind them who, if truth be known, created that wealth. They know their own limitations and are aware that, actually, their expertise actually only applied to a very narrow and specialised industry or market. In other words, they demonstrate maturity. They recognise their own limitations, however wealthy they may be. Lionel is perhaps a good example. In Mel, we have got the former. Flawed, somewhat deluded, not particularly mature. But that is what we have got. I guess for the fans, though, its a pretty simple choice. Would you prefer a deluded multi-millionaire at the helm and hope that he eventually gets the message. Or an overseas gambler with no affinity to the club or town who is after a plaything and kudos who hopes to eventually dine at the top table. Would you prefer a Milosevic, a Vincent Tan, or a Cellino. Or stick with a Mel ? Its really no choice. On 20/03/2017 at 00:03, rammieib said: Meddling chairman who long to be involved in the football side but obviously cannot appoint themselves as chairman will not have a successful football club. Period. Should a chairman be talking with players ... Absolutely not if its talking about the manager who sits in between them in the reporting lines. Should a chairman be going through the match after a game.... Absolutely not if its to constantly question the manager and his decisions etc Sorry, but any chairman should simply stay away football until the days he authorises player signings and sacking/appointing managers (Both frequent at Derby). He should lay down and approve the strategic vision off the field and Sam should be delivering that. Anything else, I simply don't agree. Chairman who own the club carry too much power. We fall into this category. Really disappointed with this. Very good, astute observations and analyses there..... Well, they would be if they weren't based on the assumption that all of the rumours, whispers and conspiracy theories are true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 17 minutes ago, David said: We say Mel is ruthless, ask why the club are so poor communicating with fans yet when they do it's completely ignored as it doesn't fit the agenda, Sam Rush said the other day.... Must be frustrating looking on and a feeling of what's the point, fans need that scapegoat, one person to direct all frustration at and whilst Mel is in the throne and a Keogh captain they will continue to take all the flak regardless. You wont find anywhere on this forum Sam Rush being criticised for his part in the sackings, don't forget that when he arrived in January Clough was gone by September, 9 months, 2 months into the new season they had just backed him in the summer. Turned out to be a great decision, ruthless as it may have seemed given the timing. I still don't agree with the McClaren 2 departure, not at all, maybe I'm not ruthless enough as you do need to be in football, sometimes it pays off, others not so. Agree with every word of that. Well done, you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 14 minutes ago, David said: I still don't agree with the McClaren 2 departure, not at all, maybe I'm not ruthless enough as you do need to be in football, sometimes it pays off, others not so. I wasn't in favor of booting mac2 either, but the speed and efficiency with with rowett and co were installed was chillingly impressive. I sort of think what Mel is doing will be the way whole game goes. The power is with the money men, not the football men if you catch my drift. Basically, if the game is going to.be this way, its better to have skilled practitioner of the business. I don't necessarily like it, but I kind of get where Mel is coming from. But then,my view is the money has gone royally silliy beyond what the actual enterprise is across the sport. Don't bring in video refs because so much money depends on the outcomes of decisions, take the big money away because the fate of it is decided in a split second by a human referee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 18 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: I wasn't in favor of booting mac2 either, but the speed and efficiency with with rowett and co were installed was chillingly impressive. It was, and whilst I don't doubt Brighton was the final straw, would be interested to know at what point did someone hold their hand up and say Gary Rowett anyone? If you think back to 28th September Clough sacked, 30th September McClaren appointed. Mac 2 sacked 12th March, Rowett appointed 14th March. We have been very efficient, which I do actually like. Yes you feel for the outgoing manager but it shows some planning and discussions went on before and not a complete knee jerk reaction after a poor performance. Exceptions to this are Clement and Pearson, both we're told strayed off the plan and Pearson was suspended for reasons unknown, you feel both of these were a case of get out, just get out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 And even when Clement was booted, without a follow up lined up in advance (which in light of other departures adds to the "something went on" conspiracy) - the club were nothing if not decisive in the installation of DazWaz til the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverurie Ram Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 hour ago, David said: We say Mel is ruthless, ask why the club are so poor communicating with fans yet when they do it's completely ignored as it doesn't fit the agenda, Sam Rush said the other day.... Must be frustrating looking on and a feeling of what's the point, fans need that scapegoat, one person to direct all frustration at and whilst Mel is in the throne and a Keogh captain they will continue to take all the flak regardless. You wont find anywhere on this forum Sam Rush being criticised for his part in the sackings, don't forget that when he arrived in January Clough was gone by September, 9 months, 2 months into the new season they had just backed him in the summer. Turned out to be a great decision, ruthless as it may have seemed given the timing. I still don't agree with the McClaren 2 departure, not at all, maybe I'm not ruthless enough as you do need to be in football, sometimes it pays off, others not so. I"ll criticise Sam Rush and his part in everything including the sackings...... We'd be better off with Bazil Brush....BOOM BOOM 8th with Clough I think, 10th now and millions wasted on players transfers and wages and all this "The Derby Way" b@llocks, which has every other sporting media person, ex players, teams and it's fans laughing at us etc. Great decision??????.....what to drop down in the league and waste a shed load of cash, Mel & Sam and there entourage need to go back to business school or back to rugby, selling used cars or the game industry or whatever or have they all still got "unfinished business" with us!!!!!!....Here's hoping Gary Rowett is going to sort it all out for them, and where's Mr Vickers these days?, is he still having to keep quiet for having a social media pop at others!......Oh the joys of modern day football!. Come on Mr Vickers the game of hide and seek is over, please come out to play!....Up The Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Truth is we haven't been at a standard good enough for the Premier league for a long time. Even when we got there we were an embarrassment. It's really hard getting out of this division with a side that then only needs a few signings to survive at the next level. Building a solid team mentality must be the focus. If we have to sacrifice some of our flakier 'flair' players then so be it. That doesn't mean the end of good football. Selling players at the right price will be a tough challenge for the club because others will know we need to do so badly. There will be disappointment along the way but I look forward to the class of 2017-18 with great excitement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 I think Mel has made some bad decisions but if we're accusing him of war crimes in the former Yugoslavia then this forum has really gone down in my estimations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Struggling to think of a bad decision the club have made in the last few seasons tbh.all the sackings were justified for different reasons to me. But hey, some FANS would rather just have a pop at someone week in week out to justify their existence. Can we have a weekly sweepstake to see who we are going to scapegoat next week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 35 minutes ago, Tombo said: I think Mel has made some bad decisions but if we're accusing him of war crimes in the former Yugoslavia then this forum has really gone down in my estimations. I thought they were comparing him to an ex Aston Villa striker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewe Ram Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 4 hours ago, barnsley ram said: all four good managers none of them given a fair chance sometimes things get worse before they get better so lets hope mel and the fans show more patience with the new manager Finally somebody mentions the fans having a part in all this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 4 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: For me, 2 key parts of football management are (1) getting the best out of players (2) having the ability to galvanize a team when things are going against you. McClaren showed number 1 but definitely not number 2 Did he not do number 2 when he first arrived? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Tombo said: I think Mel has made some bad decisions but if we're accusing him of war crimes in the former Yugoslavia then this forum has really gone down in my estimations. We all know those were Richard Keogh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 21 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: We all know those were Richard Keogh.... Also known in that part of the world as Rihjard Kejosevic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 49 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: Did he not do number 2 when he first arrived? Yes but clearly something he is not capable of doing when the galvanizing needs doing because of results on his watch. Not seen his interview but if comments attributed to him on here are true, it doesn't make his managerial ability sound too good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 53 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: Did he not do number 2 when he first arrived? That's not why he was sacked though. You're thinking of Gus Poyet after the play off defeat to Palace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerryDaly Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 On 21/03/2017 at 08:27, David said: Morning @GerryDaly How's the hangover??? May I recommend a fried breakfast (with sausage) and a couple of Nurofen Leave the the window open in the bathroom after you've been as it will STINK in there!! Ok well I'm gonna try and ease up on the spaces but it's just how I post I guess .. and for the hangover I drank loads of milk.Always works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantona Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 On 3/19/2017 at 15:48, B4ev6is said: Guys be careful what you are saying about mel You could get into big trouble for this. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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