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Yeah I had a pheasant pie like that once

Yes. But it is actually possible to pay instalments on time. Most people do.

Yes. But it is actually possible to pay instalments on time. Most people do.

This wasn't supposed to be a "Aren't we hard done by/the EFL have got it in for us all ways up" post. I listed the poor decisions to maybe explain the amount of outrage at such a harsh punishment. In reality he was always going to get red carded retrospectively, whether the EFL are out to get us or not. And yes, we will see more offences against Derby than fans of other clubs will, but that is true of any club's supporters. I don't think Fozzy's stamp was deliberate, but it could easily have been, and is certainly easy to perceive that way. How many other retrospective red cards have there been, especially to players from other clubs? That would be an interesting perspective. But you have to admit that we haven't had the rub of the green with referee decisions of late. And I asked about the alleged Joswiack incident because I didn't see it, and it hasn't been mentioned by anyone else, either on here or on any other social media as far as I am aware, so I simply would like to know about it. IF it happened, then it does tend to prove your point about seeing what we want to see.

This wasn't supposed to be a "Aren't we hard done by/the EFL have got it in for us all ways up" post. I listed the poor decisions to maybe explain the amount of outrage at such a harsh punishment. In reality he was always going to get red carded retrospectively, whether the EFL are out to get us or not. And yes, we will see more offences against Derby than fans of other clubs will, but that is true of any club's supporters. I don't think Fozzy's stamp was deliberate, but it could easily have been, and is certainly easy to perceive that way. How many other retrospective red cards have there been, especially to players from other clubs? That would be an interesting perspective. But you have to admit that we haven't had the rub of the green with referee decisions of late. And I asked about the alleged Joswiack incident because I didn't see it, and it hasn't been mentioned by anyone else, either on here or on any other social media as far as I am aware, so I simply would like to know about it. IF it happened, then it does tend to prove your point about seeing what we want to see.

I think the main problem is the incredibly consistent levels of inconsistency by the match officials which has been obvious for years. So on Saturday Fozzy could well have been given a red card there and then, and we wouldn't then have had that wonderful through ball to Tom. What is causing all the outrage were all the other instances of foul play which went totally unpunished. 
So in order, we had:
the Forest right back kicking out at Louie Sibley as he ran back from our first attack. Not just a clip of the heel, a full blown swing where the Forest player's leg went out at 70 degrees. It was deliberate violent conduct. Red Card. Worrall fouling Louie Sibley as he was bout to be running through on goal. Deliberately preventing a clear goal-scoring opportunity. Red Card. Worrall deliberately handling the ball to prevent it going to one of two Derby players in the area. Preventing a clear goal scoring opportunity. Red Card and Penalty. Worrall elbowing Ravel Morrison on the back of his head. Violent conduct. Red Card. Worrall - a succession of fouls, wrestling downs and trips, several in the penalty area. At least two yellow cards. Red Card. All-in-wrestling on Curtis Davis in the penalty area. Penalty. Red or yellow card. This is all in just one match. 
Then we go back just one week and we have Jagielka getting booked for a clear, successful tackle where he got the ball. Then we have Ikpeazu splitting Jag's face open with an elbow. Definite red card, but not even a free kick is given.
All of this from just two games, yet we are seeing these kind of instances and injustices all the time.
Incidentally a colleague of mine, a Tree, reckons that Joswiack studded one of their players on Saturday. Anyone else know about this?

It happened to Lionel Pickering too. 
A bit of empathy doesn't hurt. 

That'll do - its against Forest !!! 

The idea of losing the flow of information from the club if they speak out against the club in anyway would be a real concern if there was any flow of information at all. As it stands, there is actually virtually nothing to lose.

I think the main problem is the incredibly consistent levels of inconsistency by the match officials which has been obvious for years. So on Saturday Fozzy could well have been given a red card there and then, and we wouldn't then have had that wonderful through ball to Tom. What is causing all the outrage were all the other instances of foul play which went totally unpunished. 
So in order, we had:
the Forest right back kicking out at Louie Sibley as he ran back from our first attack. Not just a clip of the heel, a full blown swing where the Forest player's leg went out at 70 degrees. It was deliberate violent conduct. Red Card. Worrall fouling Louie Sibley as he was bout to be running through on goal. Deliberately preventing a clear goal-scoring opportunity. Red Card. Worrall deliberately handling the ball to prevent it going to one of two Derby players in the area. Preventing a clear goal scoring opportunity. Red Card and Penalty. Worrall elbowing Ravel Morrison on the back of his head. Violent conduct. Red Card. Worrall - a succession of fouls, wrestling downs and trips, several in the penalty area. At least two yellow cards. Red Card. All-in-wrestling on Curtis Davis in the penalty area. Penalty. Red or yellow card. This is all in just one match. 
Then we go back just one week and we have Jagielka getting booked for a clear, successful tackle where he got the ball. Then we have Ikpeazu splitting Jag's face open with an elbow. Definite red card, but not even a free kick is given.
All of this from just two games, yet we are seeing these kind of instances and injustices all the time.
Incidentally a colleague of mine, a Tree, reckons that Joswiack studded one of their players on Saturday. Anyone else know about this?

The idea of losing the flow of information from the club if they speak out against the club in anyway would be a real concern if there was any flow of information at all. As it stands, there is actually virtually nothing to lose.

Bit harsh expecting there to be any chance of a repeat to be fair - he is 70 and it will be at least two years until we are in Europe - I know Real are on a bit of a lean patch at the moment, but us managing to set up a 72 year old three times is a bit of a stretch ?

Branko Strupar. Scored our first goal of the new millennium on his 2nd appearance. He knew where the net was. 
Gutted that the poor bloke was always injured, his goal per game ratio was tops, when fit. 

Good as he was in that game I think his hat-trick in the 5-3 Cup win away at Tottenham was Big Rog's finest hour, it was a remarkable comeback against a team with some massive names at that time

Stephen Pearson for about five seconds at Wembley. 

Any game George Thorne played in the 13-14 season.

Have they scraped up Zinkernagel's pumpernickels from Pride Park yet?

Be handy for dodging bullets then?! ?

I think the main problem is the incredibly consistent levels of inconsistency by the match officials which has been obvious for years. So on Saturday Fozzy could well have been given a red card there and then, and we wouldn't then have had that wonderful through ball to Tom. What is causing all the outrage were all the other instances of foul play which went totally unpunished. 
So in order, we had:
the Forest right back kicking out at Louie Sibley as he ran back from our first attack. Not just a clip of the heel, a full blown swing where the Forest player's leg went out at 70 degrees. It was deliberate violent conduct. Red Card. Worrall fouling Louie Sibley as he was bout to be running through on goal. Deliberately preventing a clear goal-scoring opportunity. Red Card. Worrall deliberately handling the ball to prevent it going to one of two Derby players in the area. Preventing a clear goal scoring opportunity. Red Card and Penalty. Worrall elbowing Ravel Morrison on the back of his head. Violent conduct. Red Card. Worrall - a succession of fouls, wrestling downs and trips, several in the penalty area. At least two yellow cards. Red Card. All-in-wrestling on Curtis Davis in the penalty area. Penalty. Red or yellow card. This is all in just one match. 
Then we go back just one week and we have Jagielka getting booked for a clear, successful tackle where he got the ball. Then we have Ikpeazu splitting Jag's face open with an elbow. Definite red card, but not even a free kick is given.
All of this from just two games, yet we are seeing these kind of instances and injustices all the time.
Incidentally a colleague of mine, a Tree, reckons that Joswiack studded one of their players on Saturday. Anyone else know about this?

“Hey… Gibson, leave those Rams alone..”

We don't need no embargo. 
We don't need no thought control. 
We don't need no embargo.
We don't need  three points to go.
 

I agree entirely . What I can't understand is why he spent the whole of his tenure last season trying to nullify the opposition. Yes I know it was a case of survival above all else, but surely playing like we did first half yesterday in only 2 or 3 games would have got more points than we actually managed. Those games with Bielik plus what we've seen this season does give me hope however.

I think we've got plenty of goals in us if we play like we did yesterday, particularly in the first half.
Stretton was millimetres from scoring, should have had at least one pen and with better decisions in the final third, could have had another two or three great opportunities.
Certainly feel we're much more of a threat than last season and much better without CKR up top on his own. ....as much as I love his effort and attitude, we're having to play differently without him. I do wonder if we'd signed Baldock before the season started whether that was the initial plan anyway and CKR would have been on the bench.
I initially questioned Rooney's appointment but I think he's doing a cracking job with what's at his disposal. Can't think of a game last season I enjoyed as much as the first half yesterday
 

I agree, the fluidity and off the ball running up top has increased massively. I would be tempted to give Stretton a run of games. His movement and ability to get himself in the right position is meaning he’s getting chances in every game but he’s just not taking them, the goals will start to flow eventually I’m sure of it.