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1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said:

Paul Warne deserves credit for getting us promoted. Doesn’t really matter how, his goal was to get us promoted and he has achieved.

But he will need help this summer. This current side under Warne finishes bottom three next season.

If we stick with Warne, he will need seven or eight new signings to give us a chance.

It might surprise you to know that most of us know we have certain aging players in the autumn of their careers. You don’t need to be a genius to realise that going up a league will mean we need reinforcements and replacements. Are you after another medal for stating the obvious. ?

Your posts seem to have particular themes .. this is one of them : State the obvious like it is some revelation that the rest of us have never even considered. So condescending. Pssst quite a few of us have been around a while, played the game and watched it at many levels over a lifetime

Alex Ferguson once said .. The first rule of intelligence is to remember the other guy isn’t stupid. 

26 minutes ago, Chester40 said:

Is there a Warne-confessional thread where the more vitriolic anti-Warne posters can bare their souls, recant their heretic views and thereby claim absolution and become a true believer with immunity from any 'I told you so' comments? 

Then we can all walk hand-in-hand into a better world, where grounds are like small cities, where the players have names you have heard of and it doesn't feel like a really weird coincidence if you happen to know someone who supports the opposition?

Love this post 🤣😊. Brilliant

BUT .. They will never recant. The first loss and it will be “I told you so” and the usual list of PW’s failings along with their reminder to all of us that they said it last season. 2 losses on the bounce and they will be wetting themselves with glee 😢

15 minutes ago, eccles the ram said:

Slightly worried,only slightly, about which Rams team will turn up. Go 1 nil up and then defend the lead for 50 minutes, or gung ho and score 3 or 4. Would like to think the latter but I believe it will be squeaky bum time for all the second half. Gary Monk has a HABIT of picking good sides against us.Safe travels to all who are travelling today. B4 will get us over the line either today or next Sat.UTR!

It’ll be nun of those ! It’ll be an alter nating game with a lot of crosses, we might even go behind until our prayers are answered and there is a resurrection 

I’ll get my coat 

How are we going to feel if:

I started writing a list of possible outcomes got halfway through the alphabet and gave up

3 points please then we can have a party next week. 
 

One of the better things about this team is that for the first time in a while we have had scorers from every position, makes you think. I’ve said I’d like a Casin header to seal it, but there’s a bit of would like to see Sibs christen his improving form. Tommo would be good too. Hope it can be “one of our own” 

On 17/04/2024 at 15:45, Crewton said:

I'm a few years older than you and haven't been able to listen to or watch the away games since the Northampton debacle - even then, I've had angst about when to check on the final score and even which website to get it from - it's ridiculous! 🙄

I may just try to sleep through the game on Saturday.

I have the radio on, so I can shout at it. Then if we are losing badly the black dog descends and the radio is turned off. Then all the mental gymnastics kick in. If I leave it switched off the boys will surprise me, or alternatively I have to keep listening cos they need me, or If I keep listening I’ll jinx them. So I go and cut grass .. but then slip back to BBc sport on an iPad just to check of its “safe to come out” Away games for half fans is torture ! 

On 16/04/2024 at 08:28, Tamworthram said:

The football this season has rarely been pretty, I don’t think anyone can deny that and the thought of more of the same isn’t very appetising. However, how much of that is down to the manager’s preferred style and how much is down to a need to adapt and do whatever it takes to get out of this league? Probably a combination of both. On the latter point, a lot of games this seem to blur into each other (which maybe says it all) but I reckon a lot of our entertaining football has come against the better teams in the league (I can’t substantiate that theory before anyone asks, it’s just a gut feeling). So, on that basis, I think we’ll either get rolled over pretty much every week (or, if we’re lucky manage to cling on for a point or three every now and then) or, we’re able to make some decent recruitment in the summer and will be able to go toe to toe with the more talented teams you get in the Championship - matching them to an extent in terms quality of football. 
 

Obviously the former is what we all fear whilst the latter is what we all want. I for one (not that it’s up to me of course), am prepared to give PW the benefit of the doubt and accept that, to a degree, the quality of football we have seen this season has been down to the league we’ve been playing in. I totally get that some members on this forum really don’t rate him, don’t like his football, don’t think anything will change if we go up, and want him gone but, I’m hoping such individuals (not aimed at you by the way) give their Warne out campaign a bit of a rest next season for at least a dozen games.

I have such mixed feelings. I can see the view of those who just don’t like our current style, yet what is fundamentally wrong with using wingers and getting the ball in the box ? It’s simplistic but it’s not kick and rush and I would challenge anyone who suggests it is. We have some intelligent players. Then dial in that this is L1 with the level touch, consistency and quality defined by that league  - which when lacking (which it is sometimes) makes silky tick tac midfield interchanges a bit of a lottery. Warne has adopted a style that best suits the skill set and consistency of the squad we have. The optimist in me thinks with a step up in quality there is nothing to say PW won’t change his preferences. We won’t know until A .. we’ve seen what’s available in new players, B if we can afford them and C if they want to come. For me he must have at least half a season to prove himself. And … can we honestly criticise him if the funds / players / opportunities are not there for him to adjust his current working model. ? 
 

The football hasn’t been electric but it has been entertaining, puzzling, awkward, frustrating and occasionally exciting…in equal measure. The clicheed suggestions from certain quarters that it’s crude or “Warne ball” are limp, inaccurate and unfair. 
 

We need some youth, we need improved touch and skill quality and a striker that scares people. The rest is fate but it’s 50 years since we could puff our chests out and really justify it on the field of play against all comers. That isn’t PW’s fault. 

32 minutes ago, angieram said:

We thought as much when he wasn't there last night.

Get well soon Wardy. I don’t think there’s a player in the championship, let alone L1 that can whip a cross like him. 
not being daft, but really, he can get pace, bend and that precious low trajectory at the arrival point.  Doesn’t work in every game against every team but he’s got a special ability that is hugely valuable. 

2nd or 3rd I am pretty sure 

Woahhhh you can almost taste it. 

They equalised, no subs on, Warne out !

2 hours ago, jono said:

The definition of hope = an elephant hanging over a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy ….Nevertheless..

Having borderland affinities and a welsh surname I have decided tonight that it’s COYS 

That effing elephant is related to Sir Edmund Hillary 

Oh ! Round objects !

The definition of hope = an elephant hanging over a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy ….Nevertheless..

Having borderland affinities and a welsh surname I have decided tonight that it’s COYS 

8 hours ago, DB83 said:

As for the game… we couldn’t beat Cambridge at home, so I have zero confidence that we can beat them away.

Same with Carlisle… they’ve already won 3-1 away at both Bolton and Peterborough… I fully expect them to do the same at PP.

I’ve been known to be wrong, of course, but… … …

That’s the spirit ! Well done that man. 

Anyway, If Warne gets us back he has my backing unless we look like relegation fodder. If we are mid table in mid season, scoring a decent number of goals then I’m onside and happy to see us rebuild the structure and finances of the club. We have to be competing but the prem can wait a season or two ! 
 

It’s results .. end of story 

4 hours ago, Oldben said:

Just assuming we will not have a decent budget in the Championship compared to many other teams.

The best available players there might look at us and say they've only just been promoted and they might be relegated, there are better championship teams we could play for.

Money counts, will we have that.

Will our budget be significantly more than warne had at Rotherham.

A number of the players we've signed barely got a place on the substitutes bench at the championship teams they came from.

 

Equally there will be players who want to be with a club that can attract 30,000 fans every week and the potential that brings. I know it’s a money game, a lot of life is, but I’ll bet my cotton socks there are still dreamers out there who think beyond the pay cheque at the end of the month despite what their agents tell them. 

45 minutes ago, Lokidoki said:

It’s not the soccer Gods, it is the fact that we played three in the middle, with good shape and total purpose. It sped the game up, made the passes more incisive and we were a structured team. This,  coupled with the fact that everyone looked like they knew where should be on the pitch made the game flow.

A good midfield should protect the defence and engineer chances for the attack, this we did throughout, perhaps until CH was brought on and for five it looked like we were going to stagnate again but then Corey moved into the middle and we got on the rails again.

it’s just a pity that in the past, a lot of us have seen the hole in midfield , when just two are played their and almost cried out for this to be noted and changed, to no avail.

I do hope that we can just maintain this for the final two and that lessons are learned.

COYR

 

I agree. I think Smith was hugely influential throughout the game. Adams breaks play up, the enforcer, Tommo never lets anyone breath but it was Smith as the fulcrum. Quick to pass, not too many touches, sees the ball that unglues things and sets us going forward. I can’t comment on away games but every time I see him at PP he does it right and makes us look more polished as a unit. 

6 minutes ago, Eddie said:

My sister (I was her carer today as her hubby was poorly so I was up on the wheelchair platform in the NE corner) said "I wish Sibley could tackle - everything else in his game is brilliant").

30 seconds later, you could hear the crunch. It was excellent - and inspirational.

Nice observation Eddie. Sibs didn’t produce a champagne moment (cut in, left foot bullet top corner ) but he was aggressive, alert, positive and all in all played his heart out for the team. MOTM ? Dunno, but he he was up there and played with skill and commitment. … in playground picks based on today, we’d all want Sibs. Take a bow Louis 

2 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

The original point I made was that more physical sides are better at set-pieces than technical sides. For some reason you claim this is drivel when it’s pretty evident, especially outside of PL level where the riches allow Liverpool and City to have players who possess both.

Warne evidently favors physicality over technical ability. The reason why Adams looks technical is because he is playing a league below. Derby’s players are better than most at this level, regardless of physical attributes. Adams didn’t cut it at Championship level with Cardiff yet League One appears a breeze for him. 

Warne has succeeded by getting us to at least match, often overcome the opponent’s physical attributes while seeing our higher individual quality come through. We have won countless games this season just through individual quality - the sort of quality the opponents don’t possess.

At Championship level we won’t be able to rely on that, because with a lower half budget, we’ll likely come up against opponents of better individual quality.

Not true. The “original” comment you made was that Warne favours grunt football. So please stop shifting the goal posts.

We may struggle next season to get the right players, simply on the basis of funds available relative to our competitors, but that doesn’t make Warne Neanderthal… which WAS your original point no matter how you duck and dive. Sorry Bris, I hate falling out with people but you are a scratched record from a dull band. 

7 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

So you think we are more of a technical side under Warne than a physical one?

At League One level we simply have better players than the rest. Yet largely we still don’t dominate possession and play through teams.

That’s not a bad thing. Warne will get us promoted this season, no doubts, and he deserves credit for that.

But claiming his style of play is more technical than physical is just laughable.

Thing is, I didn’t. We play mixed football most of the time. Sometimes physical, sometimes technical. We play in a way promotion teams play in League one. Are you suggesting that only technical teams win in the championship or indeed in football in general ?

The irony is that it is a player like Adams who is both physical and technical has made a huge difference to our performance as a team when for example Bird and Hourihan for all their technical abilities have struggled in physical games. You play in a way to beat the opposition. To suggest Warne is fixated on a style as Macarthy often was is as inaccurate as it is unjust. 

Very relaxing afternoon all things considered !

I can’t decide whether we were very good or Orient we’re just poor. They just didn’t threaten beyond the odd corner.

We on the other hand were much quicker with the ball at our feet, fewer multiple touches and a lot more instinctive play. Wilson and Sibs looked like they were having a ball. Both of them fearless in taking their men on .. such a contrast to other matches. Sibs looked like Sibs Mark 1  from 2 years ago and hungry as anything. And he CAN tackle !

Adams and Smith ran the middle, Smith played some hugely intelligent passes when under pressure in the middle, finding an out ball to a white shirt time and again. I think Tommo’s the drive and distraction that Tommo brings was a huge help. Cracking performance. The whole team played as one. 

I wonder if this match should be called the resurrection of Sonny Bradly. ? Man mountain today, that was a ronseal “Big CB’s “ performance. It must have been me seeing Roy Mac in the pub .. I said it was a sign 😎🐏💪🏼
 

Very happy 

5 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

It’s difficult to be a good footballing side and good at set-pieces, especially outside of PL level.

I don’t mean this in a trolling way, but we were never going to be a good set-piece side under the McClaren days when we had decent footballing players like Hughes, Ward, Bryson, Dawkins, Russell etc. We simply didn’t have the height or physicality.

But you look at cloggers like Mick McCarthy’s Ipswich and of course they looked far more dangerous at set-pieces.

We know Warne is more McCarthy than McClaren. We know Warne will favor physicality over flair. So it’s refreshing to see us become decent at set-pieces, but no doubt it will come at a cost of flair, technical ability and fluidity on the ball - especially at Championship level when we get there.

Thankyou for your usual warped agenda driven insight. (Pssst your just voicing an opinion not stating fact )

 Did you by any chance see the flicks and one touches on the right touchline in the second half ? Did you see Sibs and Wilson roasting full backs ? Did you see Smith spotting outlying runners and dropping meet balls in to their path when under pressure ? Did you see Tommo and Wilson doing give and goes ? Clearly not from the drivel you just posted.

Sibs playing with confidence, Tommo a live wire. Smith looking sharp. There looks to be real intent from all of them. Orient look rattled. Just hope we don’t sit too deep in the second half

2 hours ago, Alan Ramage 4 EVA said:

WAS that at Matlock golf club ?.

I saw him too thought him and Big Rog were brilliant 

Bulls Head Belper Lane End 

As far as I am concerned as long as a club remains solvent .. either from simple trading profit or by virtue of an owner with deep pockets, I don’t care. 
 

The sporting and industrial model just doesn’t work. While there are zillionaire hobbyists or daft gamblers or cowboys mortgaging institutions we are in a mess

(Ownership of a football club isn’t really ownership, it never has been, never will be. They think they own them because of a few pieces of paper, in reality they are custodians (with a key to the stationary cupboard ) of something that only really belongs to the fans 

23 minutes ago, rammieib said:

If we go back to three centre backs, I’m done with Warne. Ok I am already am done but I’ll be gutted.

Watch Gunpowder, on Netflix I think, with Kit Harrington. Then you’ll get to see “gutted” … not recommended 🤪