jono

1 hour ago, MadAmster said:

Total wage bill of £17M of which the players cost around £7M. That £17M is well above the total turnover of almost all L1 clubs and I'd estimate the £7M would beat the total budget of half a dozen L1 clubs.

We had rather big crowds compared to other L1 clubs which makes it rational rather than something to flog us with. We are now in a league where our turnover and budget will likely be middle of the pack. Take out some minnows and the parachute clubs. 

Just started Shardlake … very promising. Enjoyed the books immensely despite being “Tudored” to death at school 🤣

Characters aren’t as my mental picture t the time but it feels right and is very atmospheric. 
 

Watched “Kin” earlier in the year which was gritty, bloody and well done

I have no idea which provider supplies the above, as I have no idea how to work the remote. This is not because I am a technophobe it’s simply a question of house rules, executive orders or some  new EFL regulation perhaps 🤔 

6 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

The big advantage you have by gaining automatic promotion - is you have a 2 week  head start on recruitment. I’m sure Paul Warne is back from Vegas now and banging doors down to sign players . Warne’s record is terrible in the Championship but I have full faith in him now he has “Big Club “ funds to use .

I think it is more than funds though; my guess is we will have a bit of money and some latitude but I am hoping the difference that will help Warne may is that we are Derby County … not Accrington Stanley. There just must be ambitious players who want the right stage every bit as much the big pay packet ? 

4 hours ago, angieram said:

Yes, I'm pleased to say that I didn't buy any of the 26,053! 

I thought that figure was very low. I mean 26k crowd at 24 home games so less than 1000 pies per match … hummmm . … Warne out ! 🤣

5 hours ago, angieram said:

Here is the post.

As @jono said, I won't be wishing him well because he's diminished in my eyes, but won't be giving him abuse, either.

He made his choices and has to live with them.

 

Yes Angie, that kind of sums it up for me too. We all make mistakes but admitting to them is something else and requires another level of integrity . I so love having a hero, it’s about ideals, inspiration and triumphs through good and bad., Keogh could have been one, but he isn’t. 

23 hours ago, Zag zig said:

Blades away then on that logic, Wilder will get them ticking eventually but there’s some serious psychological damage there.

When Bradley arrived we played them in a pre season friendly. We matched them pretty well and Bradley’s head was a magnet. They will deffo be there for the taking if we have the confidence .. that’s an IF ..  PW’s job to sort that out. Want the likes of Dirties and Forest when we are in gear. But really I don’t care. Just want to see us win, score goals, flow and play as a team.
 

3 hours ago, FindernRam said:

Reminds me of a flight to Salzburg many years ago when female pilots were rare. We had a pleasant uneventful trip and were walking across to the terminal. We were pretty much last off.

Missus says to me : " Don't you worry about flying with lady Pilots?"

Me: "No , they have same training, more risk averse, so I'm fine!"

Then I have to add: " As long as there's a male co-pilot to hold the map the right way up!"

Female voice right behind me. The pilot: "We don't use maps any more sir! We can't trust the men to fold them up properly!"

She was smiling!

If anyone is bored do a YouTube search for Brenda, a Tui Pilot landing a Dreamliner in Bristol in gale force winds. Epic skills

14 hours ago, cannable said:

When he first broke through he was this tidy midfielder who would keep the ball, keep things ticking.

He’s sort of lost that ball retention and turned into this energetic midfield runner.

Maybe the style of football won’t allow it (not a dig) but if he can knit it together you’ve basically got another Bryson. Just without the goal threat, thus far.

I feel the same. 
If we can get a commander with a quality long range pass and keep Adams, there is the making of a nicely balanced midfield 

So sad. I remember the peno shootout at old Trafford. A real gutsy player who seemed to have integrity. 
 

The Joiners, his behavior, the gall to sue, the lack of humility ? Well may that’s life, survival or whatever we all have to do but he wrecked his name in my view. Pity. A courageous player on the field. 

On 29/04/2024 at 11:05, TheRamOfSwad said:

I would personally 

Keep:

Wildsmith, Sibley, Forsyth, Thompson, Collins (and buy Adams)

Let Go

Barkhuizen, Gayle, Washington, Fornah, Waghorn, Hourihane, Smith, Elder

So the core of the team would look like

                     Wildsmith 

Nyambe    Nelson Cashin     Sibley

                        Adams

             New                   New

NML                                    CBT/New

                         New

In summary I'd look to buy players to play 3 at the back or 4 at the back depending on opposition and injuries it's shown to be important to be able to win matches in different ways

To sign:

Left back

1 extra centre back (for 3 at the back)

2 box to box midfielders 

1 creative midfielder 

1 winger 

2 strikers

Harsh, but I get it. Personally I think Barks still has legs for another year, he’s no ones fool and could still play a part whilst not being first choice. The retained list depends so much on who we can find at sensible money.
I think Hourihan knows he hasn’t got the reaction speed he had and Waggy, deft though he is at times, is going to struggle, but like Fozzy he is a real footballer. It is the same with all the old stagers it’s a question of we need you, but you aren’t going to be auto first choice in a team wanting to progress

On 30/04/2024 at 10:42, Simmo’s left foot said:

Hes looked pretty decent when he came back from in jury, shame he then got injured again. I suspect he might be a good player for us next season if he can stay fit. A good pre season will help.

At the beginning I thought he looked unconvincing, if anything a bit slow to react and lacking pace,  but when came back after injury I saw a footballer there, clever line balls and subtle passes, sharper all round. If he can stay fit I think he might surprise some of us

11 hours ago, S8TY said:

apologies i meant Connor Chaplin from ipswich not Bishop

Wel they’re both regular church goers so it’s an easy mistake to make especially as we’ve got Vicars already. 

4 minutes ago, sage said:

The person in the cheerio thread mentioned bullying.

I understand what bullying is. I deal with it in my job. I'm not sure why you seem so determined to counter every post I make about this. You keep coming back to it.

 

I don’t do it on purpose. Early days for me 8/10 years ago, I thought you were a balanced poster with much reason to offer in debates and a lot of Thoughtful comments. I just took exception to the bullying thing, the victim mentality, the seeming desire to avoid a back and forth discussion / weighing of the odds. This is a football forum, we all have views. Some pretty strong, some knee jerk passion; that we might either regret or be glad we voiced. There will inevitably in these circumstances be people who disagree with us and use firey language .. jees we are a bunch of folk arguing the toss in an open environment. No body is being threatening. When “new speak” starts to creep in and somehow you aren’t able to be forthright without someone sticking a name tag on you grates beyond measure. Sorry, I don’t mean to be personal or irksome but I have a point to make and believe I have been measured, reasonable and argued with logic. The moment ( and this isn’t aimed at you) I see certain language forms my hackles go up. “Gas light” “Straw man” .. there are plenty, that in isolation are useful but too often they speak of a corporate HR dept of a state institution.  Tick box, say the right thing, pass the course. It’s intellectually shrivelled. 

7 hours ago, sage said:

Well there is evidence because one poster publicly quit last week citing bullying. 

I also know 2 other people who have stopped posting. That is evidence.

Bullying is in the eye of the beholder to an extent. 

I am happy to be proved wrong but I think it was something like Stockport Ram under a thread cheerio ?  -  can’t find it. It upset me at the time, hate to see anyone stressed like that,  but rather than bullying I think (don’t know if I am right ? ) he talked about toxic, negative, argumentative debate. Anyway, he/she had a point. Sometimes we all get riled and exchanges between posters get a bit spicy. Regardless, I would suggest that bullying (and I have been there ) is when you feel cowed, frightened and unable to voice your feelings because of some over bearing presence or physical threat. The contention that this has happened here is, to me at least, fallacious . There has been scorn, derision, petty name calling on many fronts but no individual poster has been singled out, isolated or threatened. The only possible “victim” of near universal opprobrium is Bris .. but he/she courts it and I suspect loves the attention caused by his inflammatory and condescending statements of “fact” - as he/she sees it. Everyone else has their allies. I haven’t seen anyone in a corner alone or picked on. I think you need to understand what bullying really is.

2 hours ago, sage said:

Or true.Eddie found one example. 

I don't approve from either side. My whole argument is constructive debate is fine and those in a minority or perceived minority should be respected.

I'm not sure why this is deemed to be controversial 🤔 

 

Ack, sorry I am biting again. 🤣 The only controversy from my point of view was your suggestion that people had been “bullied”, somehow shut down or prevented from posting. That’s it really. In my opinion they weren’t and I have yet to see evidence that they were.

There was some name calling from all quarters and I agree it can be a bit childish, but it isn’t bullying, especially on an adult football forum like this. 

10 hours ago, sage said:

It's not disagreeing about the points being made though. 

Unless you discuss the details, it's just taking a side.

Calling names doesn't just mean you don't agree. Not if you're an adult.

Well it seems from this the only one name calling is you. 
You started on about bullying and alleged people were being shut down I responded with my take on why that wasn’t the case. Can you honestly say you have reasonably addressed my various counter arguments. Nope just suggested I am not an adult. 

1 hour ago, sage said:

That's the whole point I'm making. People weren't debating with critics, they were just slagging them off or saying you can't criticise now.

'Warne haters' is the term most used 

I personally don't bullied, however debates have been 'shut down'. Anyway do feel free to continue dismissing my point and inadvertently making it.

 

 

I rather think you’ve made my point. We have a disagreement. You seem to think persistently disagreeing with someone could equate to bullying,  or shutting down a debate. It isn’t.
It is quite simple, neither of us have convinced the other of the validity of our arguments, we thus remain in discord. 
 

Warne haters, happy clappy merchants, doomsayers .. just generalised descriptions of groupings sharing mind sets or opinions. It labeling, all sides of all arguments do it. Being given a label by someone else doesn’t make them victim of bullying. It just means t someone doesn’t agree with you. 

How about a list of names that won’t be used ?

The MM Stand ?

The Docherty Arena ? 

The new bar with a Mexican theme .. The 3 Amigos bar 

The Kirchner Stand 

1 minute ago, Reggie Greenwood said:

Good job Colin Bell wasn’t one of our iconic players ! 

Thank you for that. My wife will now complain endlessly about the wine that is splattered down my shirt. Please give me your address so I can send you the stain removal costs 🤪

16 minutes ago, Day said:

I'm also guilty of questioning the timing of certain posts/topics, including one of Sage's, the summer transfer suggestion thread, which in my opinion was absurd to be thinking about in February when we had no idea what league we would be in.

The topic remains open, into page 39, doesn't change my opinion that it should have been a conversation to be starting this week.

Same with Paul Warne's future and worrying about the style of football in the Championship. We're there now, makes sense if those want to voice their concerns. 

There is a huge difference though between being told you cannot talk about something, quiet, sssh, lock it and voicing an opinion which questions the timing. 

I also think most regular members should be able to read the room at this stage, you know roughly where people stand and if you're going to throw out a controversial take 10 minutes after the final whistle after gaining promotion, kinda got to accept the criticism you would get for that.

Also, theres been some goading from the other side if you like following promotion, forcing humble pie down someone's throat will only be spat back in your face. If you actually read what those critical of Warne are saying, promotion wouldn't change the concern they have going forward, so yeah, lose the first 2 or 3 I'm sure we'll be back to the same debate.

Although for me, if you give the manager the summer, got to give them until Christmas then barring any complete and utter disaster situation which we saw under Pearson.

All in my opinion of course. 

I don’t think you’re guilty of Anything. I think we all voice opinions and in voicing them need to accept that some won’t agree with us. That could be timing or content. I think I have just “gone off on one” because, although I am always right 😉) I am also always a liberal and believe in honest free speech. I disliked and reacted to Sage suggesting there was bullying … I saw none. I saw angry views exchanged by passionate fans ( some of whom I don’t always agree with 🤪)

At the end of my last post I remarked about this sidelining of the crux of an argument, in favour of slurring an opponent’s  (in the debate) character. I don’t  like it, it is a snide tactic, a below the belt attempt to disable those you disagree with.  

6 hours ago, sage said:

That's the point. Posters were being told not to post their opinion or when they could post it. Ignore the odd troll, there are far more many constructive critics but they were often rounded on.

Hounded out? Really? There were a few angry words after away games but no mass protests or chants.

 

I don’t recall posters being told whether they could post or not, or indeed when they could post. ( apart from the odd do one to the trolls you have already referred to.) I am sure there were a few “get losts” but that is that any different to the “angry words” you refer to. ?   It seemed to me like healthy debate with many posters objecting to comments directed at PW, calling him a clown or whatever else. A response in kind that I would describe as anything from: normal debate, a frank exchange of views, a spat or handbags. Bullying ? Really ? 
 

You can’t really chant on a text based forum. There were a number of comments such as get him out of our club though.

I still don’t see where your bullying allegation comes from ? I think the most vociferous of “anti PW” kept banging the same drum to the point that there were reactions that ranged from derision to logical counter argument. I don’t see that as bullying. It’s just not agreeing with someone. The derision was only a counterpoint to the caustic comments posters were making against the manager. If you say something controversial or don’t address the counter argument then you’re going to get push back. 
 

I really don’t understand this attitude that is becoming all too evident these days. It seems to be … I don’t like your stance but I am not going to argue it out with you, instead I am going to stop you arguing with me by attributing some dire character trait to your personality … You’re a bully, Your a lefty / righty or a sexist, a racist or a “phobe” of one sort or another. 
 

Would you like to name the bullies and provide evidence of their bullying ? . If you’re going to post examples I’d like to see the context and what both parties said at the time. 
 

23 hours ago, sage said:

Maybe they realise now isn't the time and don't want to get jumped on.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

More bullying. Well done.

 

Or possibly they just lost the argument and gave up. ?
I suggest that having a different view and voicing it in an open forum is not bullying. 
If they had had their way PW would have been hounded out. Which is closest to Bullying ? 
 

Nothing wrong with the football, plenty of teams played the game the right way. Moments of real skill many times throughout the season from most teams that we played. The consistency isn’t there though is it. ? The bad touches, poor control and clumsy defending, just too much of it. The worst bit for me was officialdom. Wrong calls, strutting myopic refs who either get flustered or are so self important it makes you wince. 

The missing element for me was the “spice” of bigger games .. Leeds, Wendies,Birmingham.

. It gets wearing when you know you are the big scalp that smaller clubs really want so they end up playing out of their skins and making you feel terrible if the result goes the wrong way. 
 

I have enjoyed it but a bit like a chip butty, nice at the time, tasty and filling but it isn’t really a balanced diet. 

1 hour ago, O'hare is the goat said:

Looking on the Fleetwood forum, their fans keep comparing him to Yaya Toure. Also seems like Charlie Adam thinks very highly of him and was the one who aided him in his development into this beastly unit of a CM

Loved that “beastly unit” 😊 we need one of those … Mind you Adams does a pretty good impression of one. 

14 hours ago, ivo_knoflicek said:

Lots of short memories here from the people wanting to release Fozzy. It’s barely a matter of weeks since his 90 minutes against Bolton did arguably as much as any other performance by any other player at any point in the season to get us promoted.

Sure, he’s getting on and may no longer be a starter in the Championship, but it takes more than eleven players to see out a season and I can’t see him letting us down.

Thing is with Fozzy is he has a football brain, is flexible enough to be LB, WB, CB and will perform whether it’s raining, a heat wave, Covid, He is boots on the ground that don’t leak. Oh yeah ..  he’s been there before and  if anyone is a RAM it’s Fozzy. I reckon he would be delighted to have another year and without an ego he’ll sit on a bench standing guard for the mighty Rams