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14 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

The comparative size of our budget might be an interesting point that will come up in future years (if not sooner ;)). Mel is pilloried for splashing cash around, but isn't that what Clowes did on a lesser level, he gambled on a 'promotion expert' and it just paid off. 

And all of you waiting to jump in and have a go don't bother btw. That's my opinion and if you have different one good for you, state it as your own and leave me out of it! 

I think to talk of splashing the cash is not really a valid claim. As part of the club's new business plan and risk management it could be argued that costs of spending on an experienced manager were part of a valid response to the risks and financial costs of being stuck in League ! for many seasons. As I recall at the time the plan was that we might be in League for 3 seasons before we were able to gain promotion back to the Championship.  Linking David Clowes behaviour as owner to that of Mel Morris, just won't do. Morris was a maverick who once he was owner did what he wanted without having sufficient people round him to advise him. The Clowes operation seems to be very different to me. What you term as Clowes's gamble  paying off might be viewed by others as careful planning delivering results.

12 minutes ago, Jourdan said:

If we get recruitment right, Warne will take us into the play-offs next season.

that is setting Warne up for a fall. With the right recruitment it may be that we are midtable at best, given the limitations on funding ( due to the need not to do a Mel Morris) . 

5 hours ago, Mucker1884 said:

Not at all.  It's just that all of my negativity throughout my entire posting career (14k+ posts) seem to all be in this thread.  Just the one negative approach to one specific topic. 🤷‍♂️

I shouldn't worry about it mate.  Having a different opinion and/or outlook on life does not make one wrong or less Derby.  It's what forums are for.

I too didn't want a pitch invasion but was wrong. It was a thing of beauty and seeing it again now from all angles on peoples vids all the more so. The sight of  the fans building up on the touch line in the minutes before gave it an impressive inevitability. Whilst joyously happy the invasion seemed to express all our pent up rage and frustration at what happened to us in the lead up to relegation. Has there been a better celebration in Pride Park?    The only downside is that the season is now over. 

3 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

 

Great video. Starts with Clowes who still deserves all our gratitude and then at the end the rare sight of a positively

joyous  smiling  Paul Warne Respect to him for doing what only the better managers achieve by having success at more than one club.

11 hours ago, Sweetness34 said:

I think after the past few years in which we very nearly went out of existence amongst other things, it must surely be hard to begrudge people celebrating this (pottential) great achievement by going way over the top.

You don't get pitch invations at places like Old Trafford or Anfield because they're used to success and take it for granted.

But for us, what have we had to celebrate? Other than the two promotions in the 80s when I was too young to remember, we've had Promotion in 1996 and Promotion in 2007. Great days by the way.

But that's it. I'm nearly 40 and should everything go the way we hope, this is the third big celebration in my life and the first since I was 21.

I'm going to forget myself, the boring law abiding citezen that I am and for one day and one day only I'm going to run as hard and fast onto that pitch and try and plant a big fat kiss on any one of this season's heroes, I will soak it all up with my fellow rams fans, then I'll head back to the stand and applaud the players, manager and staff before heading into town until god knows when.

I'm so excited, it genuinly feels exactly the same as creeping down the stairs on Christmas morning full of anticpation for what's behind the living room door. 

So I'll behave, I won't be a thug, but I will forget my age and responsibilites for a day and enjoy feeling like a big kid on Christmas

You may not be a thug but this is rather selfish - the fanbase attending will not all be young or fit enough to even do it and then

will miss out on the players tour round. Do you think the players and their kids will come on the pitch with uncontrolled supporters

milling around.? What do you think the players will prefer?

7 hours ago, jimtastic56 said:

Rush allowed Mac to bring in expensive loans like Bamford and Linguard - to add to a team built by Clough including Martin Russell . Hughes , Hendrick etc. Then as soon as Newcastle looked Mac’s way - he wet his nickers .

Utter tripe = was tripe when some said it then and its tripe now. Clough's football had been boring and cautious for  months N Clough could never  have produced the form we showed that season with McClaren (And he hasn't at any of his later clubs) MM sacked Mac.

5 hours ago, sage said:

Indeed. He also kicked one clearance up in the air and headed one backwards into his own box.

He can drive with the ball and shoots well with his left foot, just needs to work on other things.

 

And the central defenders never kick clearances into the air or head backwards? We've all seen it and not too long ago. To be fair Cashin is so good he often puts right the mistakes he makes. Sibley will be useful next season if he stays.

We.ve been too cautious, too defensive letting them come on to us. Collins missing in action from the penalty area

2 hours ago, Ellafella said:

Interesting; so what happened? Or is it just a coincidence? I recall we lost at Stevenage, fans were unhappy, Hourihane entered into a heated discussion with fans, Mr Clowes gave the Pom-pommed one the vote of confidence and the rest is history. 
So what does the table mean? 
My take on where Derby are headed…On balance, we should get auto from this point but I’m not taking it for granted. So if we do,  am I confident of our next season? I have to say I’m not. I’m not confident because I think our current blend of football is not capable of producing sufficient goals in open play at Championship level. It may be considered bad timing to have this discussion now, but that’s what I see ahead. So, if and when we get there, it’s going to be intriguing. 

Its fine to have this discussion now despite the blind-faithers.

Another question that affects our confidence for next year ( whatever division we are in ) is how to explain the regular large variation in the quality of our performances within a few games. The Stevenage performance itself, our FA cup exit and the recent performance at Northampton and  a few others show how inconsistent our performances can be. Lets hope Cambridge wont be another example. Warne could easily use our depressing number if injuries to explain this inconsistency but Warne and his management team have to take some responsibility given their role in team selection , formation  and player motivation.

1 hour ago, DavesaRam said:

Apologies if my opening statement was a little deflating. I tried, rather poorly it seems, to provide a contrast with how it looked with how it turned out. However, after Wednesday night, we we stood on the threshold of making automatics secure, and not only let the door slam in our face, we slammed it in our own face. Yes, some of the players didn't turn up, but most of that failure was down to tactics, hence ethe caution. But what a turnaround. Instead of running scared of the opposition and surrendering a load of territory, we put in a most accomplished and secure performance. It wasn't Stevie Mac 1 stuff, but we had way too much for Leyton Orient and played like it. After Wednesday, who'd have thought it? 

And that required the snide references to Warne, Bradley and Hourihane did it? An evasive response.

17 hours ago, Rammy03 said:

Of course it's important but ultimately it's the players on the pitch who do the business as the great man once said. You can have the best setup and the best plan in the world but without the players to execute it you have nothing.

Naive at best. There are many examples in our clubs history and of other clubs where a managerial change ( without change in players) leads to an upturn or drop in performance and matches won. The quality of the players may place a ceiling on performance but there examples where a new managers have drastically raised the performance level of what was previously viewed as an average squad of players.

Typical Warne play. Hoofball and avoidance of playing through midfield ruled our play this evening . Not enough of our players in the opposition penalty area. and crosses from wide going to nobody. 

It will be unlistenable if that Darren  what'sisname has any part in it.😞

32 minutes ago, ap04 said:

No, what I'm saying is that I can use the metric I want for Derby but have no time or interest to watch 11 other games a week so I have to go by the next best (models).

 

It works both ways though, remember at Northampton everyone saying how we were a disgrace and deserved nothing from the game, guess what that was nonsense too.

No you are just wasting everyone's time  and misapplying what can be deduced from the Xg stat of single instances.

An earlier poster said of Tuesday night  " it was a proper football match " , something most of us would agree with ( though probably not you). No stats you are likely to come up with can offer a descriptor of a 'proper good football match' ,  and in any case why do we need such stats given we are supporters not coaches and the stats don't add anything useful.

Perhaps we need a separate "stats" section of the forum where folk can swap statistics and talk the same language without polluting the match threads. 

When you write  "In other words that we have scored more and conceded fewer than would normally be due for our play (the opposite of last year). You call that skill, I call it sampling variability"  I don't think this means what you think at all. A goal scored from a low-rated goal scoring chance is a real event. Analyses show that some teams show great discrepancy in  their  goals scored compared to the rating of their goal scoring chances and it can happen over lengthy periods of time. This is not down to "sampling variability" . It is the system not conforming to the model, not due to chance, but due to imperfections in the model being used.

10 hours ago, ap04 said:

In the game I saw we scored 2 goals and created nothing else of note in 90 minutes.

Portsmouth on top of their 2 goals missed an open goal, had a 1v1 saved by Wildsmith's legs and the penalty incident at the end. Calling the above an even game and a fair draw is a bit of a stretch.

Its very simple .... football matches are scored by goals.   This post coming after your Bolton posts shows your real motivation.  You could surely have gone to the trouble of including some dodgy stats in your response. You are getting lazy.

7 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Sibley and Wildsmith in particular a bit shaky first half. Which way is the rain blowing? Perhaps may be a factor so the second half will be in our favour.

We're finding a lot of space behind their left back on the counters, so Wilson, Ward and Mendez-Laing will continue to have a lot of joy. Rafferty is also struggling to deal with Blackett-Taylor when he's running at him.

Expect Blackett-Taylor, Collins, Smith and Ward to be withdrawn for Thompson, Waghorn, Collins and Fornah between the 70th and 80th minutes

Sibley doesn't get the support that Wilson gets cos Blackett Taylor aint too hot defensively

2 hours ago, Crewton said:

It's going to be tough for him because the clocks go forward tomorrow, so sunset won't be until 7.40pm in Portsmouth on Tuesday. I expect to see him jogging around with a chicken balti pie during the warm-up 😁

But he can have breakfast an hour later !

21 hours ago, Tamworthram said:

Robbins took over at Coventry in March 2017.

It took him 2 seasons to get them promoted out of league one and in his first year in the Championship Coventry finished 16th (12th the following season).

If you insist on doing a comparison then it's probably better to see how we do next season (assuming we get promoted this year) as the managers trajectories with their current clubs will be a bit more comparable: Similar sized clubs, both clubs recovering from financial difficulties, both clubs promoted from league one after two seasons (hopefully). 

Crewtons post stated that Warnes career stats as manager were better than Robbins in terms of win rate. My post suggested a different , more relevant metric. Why should Warnes failures in the Championship be ignored? But your response reminds us that Robbins was able to keep his promoted side in the Championship, and quite successfully .. 

1 hour ago, Crewton said:

Robins is 4 years older than Warne and, until his current stint with Coventry, was the archetypal journeyman lower league manager without a single promotion to his name. He's undoubtedly doing a fantastic job with Coventry, but still has a lower career win % than Warne. 

Bet Robins Championship stats are better than Warnes. 

7 hours ago, TINMANTED said:

Every time we go on a good run is because Warne has stumbled on something, let's just hope he can stumble on something again friday

It may be that Warne does try something that works but sadly he then reverts back to type when he forgets why he was getting the players to play that way. We've gone through this cycle of events several times this season. 

13 hours ago, Hinzy9 said:

Relax. The last time we got promoted on shaky foundations the following season was a breeze...

Yes  It was the most consistent  season in our history ., ,,,

6 hours ago, Warren Blufitt said:

Well to be fair last week shouldn’t have gone to your heads because you were largely outplayed. If anything it should have been at best a point but fair enough you got the winner whilst Wanderers missed their chances.

Just bitterballs - grow up.

We have retreated to the failings of the Exeter and Charlton games. Down to the manager and his obsession with Bradley and an

over-defensive back 3 formation ( which can be attacking as in our recent wins). In  hindsight the loss of Gayle seems so significant. Warne says in his interview that we didn't get the wing backs forward enough -- whose fault is that?

We'd have been better dispensing with a back 3 and not just cos Bradley has been awful

1 minute ago, Millenniumram said:

3 subs and Hourihane remains on the pitch.

Boos and “f*** off you Rotherham w*****” from the away end

Thompsons use of the ball has been atrocious