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18 hours ago, i-Ram said:

I am mate. We all must be. Let’s all do something else tomorrow. Celebrate Bill Murray’s birthday, enjoy the UN International Day of Peace, or celebrate Malta’s 59 years of Independence. Let’s just forget about Warne for one day. 

We could discuss how well Rosenior is doing at Hull......in a higher league. Just a thought. Nowt to do with Warne ........... oops perhaps it would be.

16 minutes ago, eddy779h34 said:

James Collins doesn't help himself 

Last night a few times the ball was played into his feet in space, but he instantly plays a first time ball back to the player who gave it to him, all forward thinking is lost and back we go, the opposition get set in shape 

Just hold it man and look for a ball out wide or side, or like Franny Lee did back into the defender with your backside and roll him or look for runners 

I think he just needs to think more positive and get leaning on the centre half  a bit more 

I think Warne said last night we need to be a bit more quicker at that killer pass not always the safe ball 

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This doesn't matter if he is offside...... which happens quite often

3 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Listening to Sibley after and he isn't happy out wide,  Whole interview was about his best position is running from midfield and that his contribution will be more goals.

Let me be unconstructive and criticise Warne for not being very good at using players in their best position. There is plenty of evidence but I just can't see how to make this constructive criticism except that it is the truth.

14 hours ago, alram said:

The average height of the squad has got higher, is that an improvement?

We could still do with a brick outhouse or two.

18 minutes ago, Marriot Ram99 said:

Feel almost depressed after watching that, energy draining and flat watching that football is like watching something slowly die. Absolutely pathetic excuse of a football bought about by Warne,Waghorn, Forsyth and Sibley were decent but most players were bang average.  Thought Cashin was dog s*** on the ball and Washington is very average,  makes Sammon and Mason Bennet look class. Smith was poor as well. If we don't win the next few I want him gone.

Very harsh about Cashin. Sure he gave the ball away quite a bit but he also saved us defensively. We know he can do

better, but he is having to cope with playing with some of the deadwood Warne has introduced yjis season.

58 minutes ago, alram said:

It’s nothing to do with sky clubs we’re doing it long before sky started using it, I think it’s a good measure of the way games go. It won’t paint the full picture but it does a better job of all the other stats like possession or shots on goal

Just because it produce numbers with complicated maths doesn't mean it has any value. I believe it misrepresents a game- for example  a moment of brilliance from a goal scorer is undervalued by xg. shots , on and off target is more useful, and in the end the final score is what counts.

2 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

Yes agreed. Basically Wildsmith gave the ref the opportunity to make a poor decision.

Don't get this stance   - its pompous and unfair to players. On this basis players give the ref hundreds of opportunities each game to  make a poor decision  and players can't be thinking all the time "I mustn't give the ref an opportunity to make a poor decision". That's not how players think when they are playing, they are focussing on other things. Wildsmith won't have been thinking "I mustn't come out of my area cos the ref might make a poor decision " , he was having to think quickly how to deal with a bad error by his defender. In any case he wasn't going for the ball with his hands so what exactly did he do wrong ( in the possible hand ball part of the incident).

5 hours ago, angieram said:

 

To be fair the ref can't really see and linos often don't flag without checking first. Given we don't know what communications took place between the officials the accusation of'cheat' can't be justified no matter what we might think of the red card decision.

On 04/09/2023 at 12:17, duncanjwitham said:

I think that makes it pretty conclusive that the red was for the handball, not the tackle.  The club will have seen the ref's match report and know exactly why he was sent off before they appeal it.

And I'm *fairly* sure that they can't go back and retrospectively change the red card to being for the tackle, if the ref didn't originally give it for that.

Not conclusive at all to judge by the FA statement

5 hours ago, Jourdan said:

Who are these players that are going to play fast, vibrant, passing attacking football?

Méndez Laing, who can’t last 60 minutes and is equal measures frustrating and exciting?

Smith and Hourihane, who can only prosper on the ball when they are given the freedom of the continent?

Sibley and Barkhuizen, who can’t stay fit or find enough consistency to get a place in the team?

Cashin, who only has a sweeping long ball in his locker?

Let’s be honest, we have a squad which is not above this level and isn’t particularly blessed with technically strong players who can play good attacking football against all comers. This is why our play orbited around McGoldrick for 70% of the season previously.

The only one who is really fit for a passing team is Bird, and currently he is injured and come January, he might be on the move.

If you want to see a good passing team, @CornwallRam is right. It will need time, patience and investment.

If you haven't noticed Hourihane pass the ball you have been asleep. But what you totally ignore is that the players you mention did pass the ball under Rosenior. (He wasn't sacked due to poor results.) You can't have if passing game if the players don't know who is playing where from one match to the next. For the last six months, even allowing for injuries,  there has not been enough consistency in formation and selection.

12 hours ago, duncanjwitham said:

Keogh was great at pretty much everything 99% of the time, and terrible at it the other 1%, which makes him a very difficult player to evaluate.
 

Bradley is completely different though - he probably is a good defender (even if we haven’t really seen it much yet), but he’s always going to be slow and ropey on the ball.

But is it to do with speed? He looks as though clearing the ball whether into to touch or up front has been coached out of him. Brain speed  deficient?

Some posts on here have aged rather quickly.

2 hours ago, DCFC1388 said:

it goes to show that Warne wants exactly the same things as the fans in terms of type of player

What does this even mean? Especially given many fans are not totally on board with Warneball.

Would Phil Brown do better with this team? He'd be use to the booing.

16 hours ago, Jourdan said:

True, his interview was anything but humble.

However I am thinking from the standpoint of having experienced players who have probably signed contracts and joined us in this division with a certain level of entitlement, an element of being untouchable irrespective of performance.

Take Hourihane and Bradley, for example. Two players who came in with big fanfare. Right now, it is hard not to look at them as anything but two of the biggest weak links in the team. Yet one is captain and the other came in as a marquee signing and a supposed leading figure both on and off the pitch.

How do we improve the team if the core of the team is dysfunctional? What do we do when the central figures in the team are standing in the way of progression?

Can't believe you are classing Hourihane and Bradley together. Not sure what you see when watching a game. Hourihane scores goals and already has 1 assist and one goal  from our 3 league games. But more importantly he gives the ball away far less than most and judges what pass to make, long or short carefully. He is no tackler and is not being played in what might be his best position. But that is down to Warne and his misjudged team selection an tactics

2 hours ago, TomTom92 said:

We'll see.

I do enjoy the argument of 'We can't keep changing managers' whilst i agree in some ways. Many teams have got promoted including Forest by keep rolling the dice until lady luck shines down accordingly. 

Sticking with a manager has some well know historical examples where it proved the right choice. But it  happens hardly anywhere in the EFL or Premiership these days reflecting  commercial realities. The club may have to do what others do as a matter of survival. Clowes has an investment to protect.

1 hour ago, TheTinMan said:

Things aren't looking any better for the weekend sounds like Wilson is an injury doubt too. Might just be whoever is fit gets a game at the weekend in some sort of formation. 

Korey Smith at right back ? It would get him out of midfield 🤪

2 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

Just seen the highlights from yesterday.

Still coming to terms with how a professional footballer can miss an open goal from 4 yards out with no pressure on them, glad it didn't matter in the end.

 

Ignorant comment. It happens all the time and not just with Derby, even if they are professional players. It happened to both teams yesterday.

37 minutes ago, Abu Derby said:

Warne will still be here for at least the next 3 years. His objectives provided by DC at the start of his 4 and a half year contract remain. It isn’t mandated that promotion must be attained in his second season (if it happens, then great); it’s about long term rebuilding of the club from what amounted to a large pile of ash. 

Contracts still mean nowt even if David Clowes is determined to run things properly. As a business, the club is results dependent. The statement  "Warne will be here for at least the next 3 years" has no merit. Its built on quicksand. It's a hope. but no more. If we have a brush with relegation this season Warne will be gone.

 I find Warne unappealing as a manager and don't like his style of play. But I am not calling for him to be sacked. What I do find unacceptable is what I see as his complacency. Last year after a very good run mid-season, we fell away and fell into a pattern where we found it hard to win games. Though we only just missed out on play-off places, we could all see that the team was not playing that well. His emphasis for  the new season should be about us needing to improve and he needs to take responsibility for our performances, unlike what he said after Tuesday's game, publicly suggesting the blame lay with particular identifiable players. He and his management team still have to prove themselves and not all managers can transfer success at one club to a new one. 

9 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

It was obvious from the matchday thread last night that there were posters on here whom would take great delight for us as a club to lose the next x amount of games to:-

(a) justify their own personal predujices against Warne and

(b) make him more likely to be removed from his job, see previous point above. 

Could never get my head around why a so called supporter would want their team to lose a game. Weird. 

The sanctimonious few always use this ( wanting one's own team to lose) as what they see as a "trump card" without any evidence. Whereas  life long supporters know that wanting derby to win always kicks in, even if after a loss, that loss is used to justify one's own opinions. You take it to a whole new level in claiming some want the Rams to lose a whole load of games. I can't imagine going to a game and wanting us to lose - much easier to stay at home if I felt like that.

Do explain re (b) how merely wanting Derby to lose  can magically  make it more likely the manager will be sacked.

Perhaps he could teach Collins where the goal is.

2 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

I fear that the mistakes in yesterday's game, Bradley's especially, are more systemic and by products of other failures on the pitch.

Look at the suicidal backpass - Hourihane has the ball facing forward with no real huge pressure on it from Wigan players a third of the way into the opposition half.

He then stops and decides to play a cowardly square pass putting his team mate under pressure which then goes back to Bradley near the halfway line and then back to the keeper.

So we've gone from a promising position in the opposition half to then making a backpass to the goalie from near the halfway line - what's that all about?

It should have never have come to that for Bradley to have to be forced to make that pass. I'm not trying to defend Bradley as if as a professional footballer you can't kick the ball more than 40 yards then serious questions need to be asked but this scenario should never have happened.

Was no one showing for Hourihane further up the field, was he too slow in picking a pass, could he have not driven forward and carried the ball further forward?

It just seems he took the chicken, easy, lazy way out. If he's the captain then I'd expect more than that. Maybe it's a confidence thing or maybe he's just not that good enough? Take some ownership though regardless. 

Garbage. Do look back at the vid and tell us what better options there might have been for Hourihane. But in any case its Bradley who mucked up. He wasn't under great pressure when he received the ball He made the wrong decision. He could have passed it to Cashin but instead decided on the back pass and executed it poorly with an understrength touch. Why the accusation of 'cowardly' comes from I don't know. It's characteristic of Hourihane's passing that he often makes a short sideways or backwards  pass instead of moving it forward. Presumably Warne is happy with that. Hourihane was possibly slow in making his decision but that criticism could made of a lot of our play yesterday.

12 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

actually I like the warnock/sam a bluffness - they have an authenticity that softens the blows and even allows them to work well with gifted temperamental players. I don’t find PW’s approach to be genuine by comparison. Not least because it’s all too much about him. That’s why I say I don’t think we’ll recruit or retain stars  

Clough may indeed be amongst the greatest ever, but do you think his approach would work with the entitled spoiled mega stars of today? Didn’t even work with the Leeds stars of the 70s

But there you are just ignoring the actual history  - Clough had been very critical of Leeds manager and players well before he moved there. Nowt to do with his management style.

1 hour ago, KBB said:

My take from this is I can't wait for the season to start and I also need to block about 50 of our fans on twitter and on here.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course they are. Who am I to tell them they are right of wrong. I cant. I'm a nobody. I have no influence or importance. However, after reading the same guff over and over and over again, I'm past the stage of interaction and discussion. Past the stage of even reading or listening. I'm now, sadly, just blocking and enjoying the rest.

This is pathetic. Football fans have opinions and are entitled to express them, if only because they pay for the privilege. Of course these opinions may have no influence but sometimes they do - fans reaction got Phil Brown sacked and few thought it was wrong to part company with him.