RodleyRam

What are the odds on this guy joining? Let's hope the going is good when he does, we can't afford to stirrup any more trouble.

Interesting and relevant debate this. 

I'm not a gambler and have never particularly been interested in it, beyond a social flutter on the grand national or whatever. I always lose and have never seen the appeal.

However, through work, I have spoken to numerous people affected by gambling addiction and the tragic consequences outlined by the OP. 

As with many issues of this nature the situation will only change through regulation and a handful of clubs making a stand is unlikely to have much impact. That doesn't mean they shouldn't make that stand. Just because the money is there and we need it, doesn't mean that we should take it. 

Some have commented that gambling had been around for years, so why get Draconian now. The simple issue is that gambling online, with enticing free bets and in-play betting is so much more accessible and instantaneous. This drives a chemical reaction in the brain that is highly addictive. After being suckered in, there's often a downward spiral and there will be many, many more like the OP talked about. It's a bigger issue than people realise and we'll only start to see the scale of the devastation over the next few years.

Will it make much difference if we choose to ban gambling adverts from shirt sponsorship etc? Probably not systemically but if there's the slightest chance that one youngster will avoid the fate of the young lad in the OP, then I think it's a moral stand worth taking. I also think we will be on the right side of history when (and it will be when) online gambling is regulated and marginalised.

Regardless of our recent history, Derby are an exciting proposition for a whole host of potential sponsors and we should challenge ourselves to take a difficult stand if that's what it takes.

The short version of this tome is: I agree with the petition, I'm in. Should have probably written that at the start...

I think we would benefit from having someone play closer to Collins, doesn't have to be another striker as such, just someone like Knight or Sibley playing in that no.10 role. Our wingers can afford to play a little narrower too and make runs off Collins.

8 hours ago, Rich84 said:

So it's OK to rip people off and potentially ruin businesses and not pay taxes, then spend big on new contracts! It just doesn't sit right with me, so I'm all for financial restrictions for 2 years as I think it is a reasonable penalty to pay to allow rhe club to exist. 

In order for club to be financially viable in the short to medium-term we have to be able to cash in on our best young talent, like Knight. We cannot do this if we cannot offer them competitive contracts and force other clubs to pay us what they are worth. Far too many have been sold way below market rate, thus heavily affecting our sustainability as a business. 

I understand the desire for Derby to be punished for our crimes against humanity and I don't have any issues being forced to demonstrate a sound business plan. But that business plan needs us to be able to maximise our income as well as control our expenditure, it simply can't just be the latter otherwise we stagnate and die a slow death.

The way the business plan and restrictions are executed needs to be based in the real world and wet should be able to make a case for offering players like Knight competitive contracts, if only to stave off the vultures who continually pick over the carcass left by the previous regime.

30 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

Sibley’s introduction made a huge difference.

That’s the thing. Decent ball carriers moves the opposition out of position more than possession football (unless you pass at the speed of a PL side).

We were slow in possession. But getting NML, Sibley and Knight running on the ball moved them out of position and created the space.

I don’t think we can have Bird, Smith and Hourihane as a midfield three. All too similar possession players. We need a runner in there.

Agreed, swap Smith and Knight in the absence of an actual RB. Gives that 3 more dynamism.

2 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

Fair comment

I was alluding to the fact that most derby fans had no concerns about the dodgy combination of stretford and CK, and no concerns that stretford and Rooney had in effect picked the PB. But with hindsight we had a lucky escape. Regulators don’t have 20:20 vision either 

No, fair point. Fans are by default emotionally invested and therefore less able to provide an objective view, most were just relieved that the club appeared to be saved. Most fans would only have been able to access the external image CK et al wanted to present and put faith in admins and regulators to do the necessary due diligence.

I don't think regulators have sufficient teeth and the EFL isn't fit for purpose at this point in my view.

It's obviously highly complex, I just think there has to be a better way.

4 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

we almost certainly dodged a nuke 

But how are the regulators supposed to know 

- that he might be diddling his investors

- that he’s in cahoots with uncle Paul (whose finger was on the nuclear button)
 

The signs were there for all of us to see  - he’s supposed to be full time CEO of a fast growing company and yet he spends half his time schmoozing golfers and doing wheelies around Dubai in his jet. Oh and his area of ‘expertise’ is sales   It’s as harsh to blame the regulators as it is to blame the fans 

Not saying I have the answers but the examples of dodgy football owners comes up with alarming regularity. I'm really saying that there needs to be a total change in football governance and regulation to mitigate against the issues we have faced in the last two years. 

Not sure I understand the reference comparing regulators and fans. It isn't the fans responsibility to protect clubs against these issues.

We aren't the first, we won't be the last, therefore something needs to change to resolve the systemic issues that we have in the game. It's costing people jobs and causing enormous turmoil. We deserve better.

Dodged a nuke here.

The regulation around football ownership is insufficient. If clubs are genuinely considered community assets, then the fit and proper persons test needs more teeth.

We are indebted to whoever stopped the sale going through but let's be clear, it wasn't any of the people who it should have been and that's alarming.

2 hours ago, goodgollymickbrolly said:

Well we’ve all done a bit of that in our time.

You're welcome to that freebie courtesy of my typing ineptitude! Well played, sir.

This lad looked at talent

7 hours ago, Elwood P Dowd said:

I would hope that we have that covered, if he is injured whilst playing for Birmingham they, hopefully, continue to pay his wages for the agreed loan period. If not, and he gets injured, we have his wages and the wages of  players LR wants to bring in to pay.

I would hope that too but wasn't sure if that's how these things were actually structured...

58 minutes ago, Ambitious said:

Agreed - I would personally rather see Smith play RB and Knight lined up next to Bird in CM. 

Byrne being an absolute bell end has made life tricky in that regard.

Agree with this completely. I would back Bird's ability to step up and own the CDM slot and push Knight and Hourihane in front of him to give us more a attacking set up. Knight has enough energy to get up and down and support Bird. Knight has goals in him, I'm convinced but he needs to be given the opportunity to buzz around the box a la Bryson.

I do fear he'll play 2 CDM and we will struggle to connect midfield to attack.

We have the personnel to play on the front foot, press and dominate this season and I think we'll come unstuck if we play too conservatively. 

The tactical set up we have seen reminds me of Nigel Clough, great side and the right possession based approach but too cautious, particularly away from home. I'd much rather we went for it and let our players express themselves further up the pitch.

If he gets injured out on loan, is he sent back to us and we pay his wages again?

1-1

FRGS - Collins pen

Scrappy-doo joyful anti-climax

18 hours ago, Scott129 said:

Oxford's matchday thread if anyone wants to see their perspective...

https://yellowsforum.co.uk/threads/derby-county-away.8199/

So much travel and logistics chat, I'm 6 pages in and not a pun in sight... Need to up their game 

On 27/07/2022 at 00:46, Bris Vegas said:

Damp squid 0-1 

Team gets booed off and calls for Rosenior Out... A return to the Derby Way!

Some of the drama junkies on here! Wowsers. 

It's a friendly.

We've fielded young lads and trialists who have never played before as a team and will never play together again.

Expecting even individual players to shine in the circumstances is bonkers, regardless of how good they are 'supposed' to be.

I'm so glad we have the best fans.

Given the age of some of our signings and the aspirations of our young talent, you've got to think that we will have to give this season a huge push for promotion. In terms of personnel, on the pitch performance and their likely longevity with the club, the 'rebuild' has a short-term look to it in some ways, notwithstanding the comments I made in another thread about building a culture and a playing style for the longer term. We're clearly trying to get the best of both, using those experienced players and young talent to get us promotion and set the tone for the future. It's a tough challenge given the timescales and rigours of the league.

I hope that desire and urgency does translate into a top 6 finish but there's no doubt it's going to be a big ask.

I think it's the right way to approach things (not that we have listed of options!) but there is a lot riding on immediate promotion. I just hope that we stick with it, and build momentum, even if we have a slower start. We have a history of fading in the New Year, so I'd welcome a reversal of that and finish the season strongly as it all starts to come together.

There are two things I think we need to address this season.

Make good decisions.

When to put your foot through it, when to play out from the back. When to move the ball more directly, when to be patient. We saw games last year when were really naive and big physical sides took us to school. I'm thinking Blackburn away, when the decision making and game management was poor. Teams are going to hustle us this year and give us no room to breathe, so we'll have to know when to play and when to mix it. Hopefully the experienced players will help with this.

Try to score.

Needs little explanation but our attacking play needs to be more confident and we can afford to get the ball in the box and shoot more. I've read some unnecessary comments about Collins already, I'm sure he'll score goals and give us more confidence to stick it in the box.

Great read that.

Confirmed everything we all hoped about this new era (has a touch of what I think Nigel Clough was trying to do) Focus on culture, graft and building a football club from bottom to top. It's exactly that way I want this club to be run, thinking long term, recognising that everyone has a part to play etc. It's starkly different to the toxic, uncoordinated 'ambition' under the previous ownership. 

We are a Premier League sized club but to quote a hackneyed phrase, we have to earn the right.

I'm loving what I hear from LR to date, I'd like to think we give him plenty of time to rebuild. 

9 hours ago, Rev said:

That's your perogative. 

Come now, don't be cruel

It's interesting that the OS is talking about him proactively and managing expectations about his fitness etc. Implies that he is still in their plans but clearly they aren't taking risks, either for his intended role in our L1 side or to keep him injury free for a move. 

Given that there is no murmur of external interest, you'd expect him to be in our plans until evidence to the contrary.

I'm being the king of stating the obvious this evening...

3 hours ago, Chester40 said:

You know what bugs me most....

Moore

Robson

Davison

Grant 

Davro....

There ain't ever been a bad Bobby in the world...he's got to come good. 

Don't think Bobby Brown was much cop 

It seems such a ridiculous position to put himself in. As others have said... state your intention to leave and do it the proper way. I highly doubt we'd have kept him against his will, sensible fee agreed, everyone wins. The current impasse is just utterly senseless and could leave a perfectly good player sitting on his arse watching repeats of homes under the hammer...

23 minutes ago, Dave Mackay Ate My Hamster said:

The suggestion of Kemar Roofe is such a tantalising tease.

Does anyone think we've got a cat on a hot tin Roofe's chance of getting him on loan?

Sorry I don't have a pun to satisfy the baying pun crowd. ?

 

Less pun more mixed metaphor but it might distract the hoards whilst you exit stage left...