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4 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

Seems a huge slide from allegedly turning down a managers role at a Championship club to being told his services are no longer needed at this club all within a relatively short period of time.

Bet he regrets that decision now if indeed he was offered the job at Blackpool at all. 

I would think his stock in the football community is higher now than it ever was, as evidenced by the wide ranging complimentary statements from people in the game.

You can argue that PW is better suited to our needs right now but people writing off LR completely frankly have no idea what they're talking about. He's done a great job for us and very unfortunate not to get the job permanently.

I doubt he'll be out of work long.

Good luck Liam, hope you get another opportunity soon.

1 minute ago, BucksRam said:

For turning up on his first day of work in bare feet and sliders - he gets my vote. 

Still in holiday mode!!

He's certainly less earnest and serious than LR!

On 22/09/2022 at 21:54, Crewton said:

This thread is like entering the Matrix. 

The Matrix eventually makes some kind of sense though... 

At this point, that blue pill sounds so much tastier than it first seemed.

1 minute ago, Magicman said:

So you think he is good enough based on what evidence - he can't even get in their first team !!?

I didn't say he was good enough, I just find it odd that you are rejoicing that he's not setting the world alight on his loan. Still a young kid (from our own academy, I might add) but hey ho, whatever makes you feel good about yourself. 

On 20/09/2022 at 23:26, Magicman said:

He is struggling at that level no chance of making it back here !!

You actually sound pleased about this. It's an odd stance but few who have read your posts will be surprised how gleeful you seem about it.

2 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

Playing style may have featured prominently but I don’t think we should be staggered if it didn’t. It’s quite possible he was focused mostly on getting a professional, experienced management team with a record of getting out of div 1. 
 

Maybe it went down like this...

DC: Thanks for coming in to see us Paul. Perhaps you could start out by telling us what you hope to achieve in the next 12 months.

PW: I'm going to get Derby promoted Dave.

DC: Wow that's great. Can you tell us how you're going to go about that?

PW: Trust me, I just will.

DC: I've just invested £50m+ in this. That's good enough for me...

Welcome aboard!

2 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

Playing style may have featured prominently but I don’t think we should be staggered if it didn’t. It’s quite possible he was focused mostly on getting a professional, experienced management team with a record of getting out of div 1. 
 

I would be very surprised if there wasn't a detailed conversation about 'how' he will set out to achieve both short and long term success. I've no doubt DC would want to know how PW will get us out of L1 but I would be amazed if there wasn't a conversation about how we then kick on. That would have to cover playing style and philosophy.

3 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

But it wasn't working for large parts of the games. Edit: although the stats say otherwise, lol.

How do you know how Warne will utilise them? Plus how long will we have 'sufficient quality' at this level if we don't go up asap?

I don't and never made an assumption on that front. I merely said I hoped he would utilise their skills, which I would say are of a higher technical ability than he may have had at Rotherham.

And to the second question, the majority of new signings are on 2 year contracts. The existing footballing talent e.g. Bird, Knight, Sibley and Cashin will be here much less if their footballing ability it's being bypassed in favour of percentage football (would be my guess) but if we are top of the league and grinding out 1-0 wins then perhaps we would keep them longer?

Time will tell. I hope he can get us into the right balance of playing nice stuff and getting results.

1 hour ago, kevinhectoring said:

In the top two divisions this is an obviously true statement, at least since refs began to protect players from thuggery.  But is it a correct statement for the third tier ? Where too many players don’t have the quality for it to work? 

The point I was making is that we DO have sufficient quality to make it work, so it'd be a shame for us not to utilise the players' strengths and lurch from the style they were recruited for.

1 hour ago, kevinhectoring said:

When he interviewed Paul W for the job, his first question might have been : “can you get this group of players promoted ?”    Not sure the question  : “can you promise me and my fellow fans attractive free flowing football ?” would even be on the agenda

I would be staggered if the question of playing style and culture did not feature prominently. DC has been a fan for years and I would be surprised if he was asking for success at all costs and counter to everything he and LR have said so far about this being a sustainable project. Similarly, if the question about academy playing style and ensuring that all of our development teams adopt a similar playing style and culture was not on the agenda I would be very surprised.

Promotion at all costs is one of the reasons we got us into this mess in the first place and I highly doubt that DC will be looking at that as the only measure of short term success.

I call deviation on this topic being in the DCFC area of the forum. By definition should it not be in the Jim Smith Room?!

For what it's worth I spent the day trying to negotiate with a potty training toddler. I consider it practice for trying to debate with some posters on here...

1 hour ago, Tyler Durden said:

Wimbledon in their heyday were a permanent fixture in the Premier League or whatever it was called then and won the FA Cup when it was a half decent trophy to win.

So you just can't exclude one style of football as being not fit for purpose.

Do you therefore think that the converse of percentage football which is what we seemed to have lapsed into was equally as effective by pratting around with the ball at the back ad infinitum?

If you read my post again I said 'very few trophies' and if you can raise me on your one example of Wimbledon then I'll stand down. The stats are stacked way in favour of teams who would be considered as playing a more 'attractive' possession based style.

And it's what I would prefer to watch, ideally winning to boot. I would honestly rather we tried to play football than constantly box-kick for touch and try to drive over a line-out.

For what it's worth I think our style under LR was mostly fine. LR stated on a few occasions that having possession wasn't all about the attacking benefits, which makes sense to me too. The results (away in particular) were not reflective of our performances and I think we are 3-6 points off what we deserved and think this would have balanced out as a solid play off place over the course of the season.

It is what it is and I hope PW seizes the opportunity because he has some excellent players on the books and it'd be a shame to waste their abilities.

21 hours ago, Blondest Goat said:

And Rowettball isn't very often successful.  We were never going up that season.  The football was terrible to watch and noone seriously thought we would get promoted.  

It's fair enough to adopt that style when you are one of the minnows in the league with limited resources. We weren't in that position.  We had thrown money at it left right and centre.

This is the thing for me. A more agricultural style is understandable if resources can't get you talent and technical ability but it has limitations. With the talent at our disposal (and when Rowett was in charge) there is a 'better' way. Very few trophies have been won through percentage football. We don't need to play that way to be successful as we have talent and resources at this level that most clubs can only dream of. 

I'm hopeful that PW sees this as an opportunity to make the most of the talent at his disposal and play some exciting, attacking football that will send us up the league.

2 hours ago, DerbyRevolution said:

Somebody show me where Clowes says it has to be promotion this season? He’s previously spoken about a time for patience and stability 

This season is preferred, but if it’s next season or the year after then so be it and that fits with the 4 year contract.

Maybe he wasn’t confident Rosenior would get us up in any season, I’d have to agree if so. The tactics he employed would never have got us out of this division on away form alone 

All of the messaging coming out of the club alludes to an expectation of promotion this season. The heavy emphasis on PW's track record and LR's lack thereof in itself raises the bar.

If that is the case, then the slightly confusing thing is 4-year contract, as this suggests that time will be given to get it right.

It's difficult to get a read on it right now.

8 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

If we manage to score one away goal in the next 4 games then Warne will be an immediate improvement on Rosenoir.

 

Even if we lose all 4 games and thus have a lower comparative points total?

I'm finding it hard to know what to think of this. 

Personally, I liked LR, the approach felt right to me and I wasn't reading too much into the results at this stage as I think we've performed better than our points tally.

I'm sad that Liam hasn't had the chance to go at it for longer as I genuinely didn't think we were far off from giving someone an absolute hammering, which could have been a spring board.

Have to assume that extensive conversations and assessment has been done over the last few months and the decision is as evidence-based as these things can be.

The statement from the club gives me a little optimism and they clearly see PW as a winner, who can get results.

It's never dull at DCFC.

2 hours ago, Mr. P said:

Expect Warne’s first teamtalk will be something like this :

“You lot that were here may have survived on the last day of the season under Rooney, But as far as I’m concerned, the first thing you can do for me is chuck all your staying up medals and and all your pots and all your pans into the biggest f****** dustbin you can find. Because you’ve never won any of them fairly. You’ve done it all by cheating.”

Tried and tested motivational strategy... 

4 hours ago, I Am Sheep said:

Yeah took me 2 whole hours to get from Ilford to Wimbledon on Friday afternoon ?

It's taken me that to get from Embankment to Charing Cross before now... But that's possibly due more to Gordon's Wine Bar than the ineptitude of TFL to be fair

2 minutes ago, Marriot Ram99 said:

Not signing a proper right back and a proper striker has cost us big time. 

With those 2 positions sorted we'd be much better. Collins is bang average and we haven't even got a proper right back who we can trust. 

You know Collins isn't even on the pitch right? Not sure what he's done to deserve that criticism today.

Rams 2 - 1 Wycombe

FRGS Knight

Scrappy game but 3 points ground out.

COYR we need this one

3 hours ago, Tamworthram said:

I agree with your first sentence but I was replying to the statement “xG is a great indicator to show that we are actually playing well”

Right you are old bean... As you were

On 14/09/2022 at 13:12, Tamworthram said:

Does that all mean we "played well" then? Because it didn't look it to me.

I think it means we had sufficient chances to win the game, which we did. Doesn't mean we played well. 

I guess the hope is that the xG rate continues and we get better at taking the opportunities. Ultimately it's a results game though, so the stats mean nowt if we score fewer than the opposition.

I think the last two results make our performances feel worse than they actually were. I think our approach away from home has been different, I just don't think we've got the points return we perhaps deserved. Conversely, we got points against Oxford, Barnsley and Peterborough when we won and weren't at our best.

3 points on Saturday and I think we'd be about where we deserve to be at this point. Hopefully looking up the table but it's a critical game.

On a more general point, I don't think the players are executing what LR wants as he's sounded frustrated when build up has been slow. If he's going to keep the current formation, I think he has to drop one of Bird or Hourihane though, need me energy and bite in there from Smith or Knight for my money, if that comes at the expense of playing a pawn at RB then so be it. 

#cheekychessreference

20 hours ago, Leeds Ram said:

Waited until today to post as I was seething after the match tbh. Thanks so much for @Bossfor the tickets as besides the game me and my gf had a cracking time in Lincoln.  The performance was utterly abject from first to last, mistakes littered the game but tactically Rosenior is either blind or stubborn at this point. I said a couple of weeks ago we were making chances and it was bad luck but I now feel there are systemic issues hindering us. There is absolutely no urgency playing out the back and once a team presses us we look decidedly nervous and are almost bound to make an error. Wildsmith's distribution is also absolutely shocking and needs working on asap. 

In the middle playing both Bird and Hourihane is suicide, both ball players who lack any bite or willingness to track their man or contribute in any way besides spraying slow 10-20 yard passes back and sidewards.  Someone mentioned Bird might be wanting to talk to his agent, well given his start to the season I wouldn't care one bit if he did. It isn't helped by the lack of quality out wide, NML can't cross or finish to save his life (no consistency at all in whether he pings, balloons or gets the ball in the middle at all and misses too many chances) Dobbin too often tries to dribble and looses it and Barkhauzen can't finish. Collins isn't being used properly so I don't want to blame him too much and the service he's getting is horribly inconsistent. 

Our slow tempo, dubious quality, and lack of cohesion are creating a team that are too easy to defend and attack against. Our midfield lacks shape and a willingness and ability to actually contribute defensively leaving the defence over exposed. We've seen this in a lot of games this season and it's partly why Cashin is making so many last ditch challenges. The slow tempo, lack of a central outlet for a ball in the final third and poor quality out wide are all contributing to a lack of clear chances and clinical finishing against teams who decide they're going to sit in and close down hard against us. 

It's embarrassing to lose and put in a performance that deserved nothing against a team struggling at the bottom of division 3. There is no other word for it, utterly embarrassing and I hope the players and staff woke up this morning feeling quite ashamed that this has happened. Yes, every team we play against will give an extra 10% and so will their fans because we're not Sutton United. But the fact that we are Derby County needs to be a reminder to every single player to not only give everything in the shirt but demand a certain level of performance that we ultimately expect of them. Last night was not good enough, Plymouth was not good enough, Shrewsbury was not good enough. We need to get our heads out of our collective ar*** and demand better. 

Glad you've calmed down sufficiently now though ?

For me this is the most disappointing result and performance of the season. Every other win/draw/defeat had something redeeming about it and I think we've been unlucky not to have more to show for it.

Not sure Liam knows the best balance for his side, it's clear the midfield lacks energy and bite with Bird and Hourihane, so he's going to have to disappoint one of them, at least in the short term whilst we get some urgency back in there.

Definitely not the time to panic but we have to see a response to two defeats and we simply have to get a win on the road to get the monkey off our back.

I'm still optimistic but it's a tough old league as many a big club has proven over the years.

Lincoln 0 - 1 Rams

Barks frgs