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1 hour ago, PistoldPete said:

Good question. In Wigans case of course the club and the  golden share (ie EFL membership right) were sold altogether to the phoenix company , but that was before liquidation.

If Derby ran out of money In February, I guess we would need to let all players go as we couldn't keep them if we couldn't afford their wages. The registrations would then pass to the EFL would would then try and sell them in order to go towards the creditors. So we wouldn't be able to complete the 2021/2 season and would be relegated.. by two divisions instead of one.

We would then need to find a new squad to play in League 2. Pretty apocalyptic but not as bad as total vaporisation.I hope it doesnt happen and we find a buyer but if we don't at least it wouldn't be as bad as Bury.  

 

If we don’t exit administration with a CVA we’ll get another 15 point deduction next season, and with an already depleted squad further decimated that would almost certainly mean another relegation. It might be better to start afresh in L2 next season rather than the slow painful death we’re seeing now.

13 minutes ago, i-Ram said:

Have I missed something, other than Nixon’s comments, but where has the EFL given any indication that worst case we won’t go lower than D2 if we are liquidated? They won’t have I am sure, and they won’t even consider such an option until everything else has been exhausted and liquidation is the only step left.

Nixon’s being fed the gospel according to Parry.

Right, so the EFL don’t want to kill us off completely, they just want to strangle us for a few years, kick us in the knackers, punch us till we’re on the floor, then kick us in the head until we’re unconscious. 
But they don’t want to kill us off completely because we’re a big club and we bring in a lot of revenue, and so, money.

But just my tuppence worth, I think everyone in the city appreciates the support of all those from the outlying towns and villages, they’re as loyal, if not more so, as us in the suburbs. 

Derbyshire la la la Derbyshire la la la

6 minutes ago, Mihangel said:

If you have literally no idea what it means to the city of Derby, then you would have written that post. I can't imagine a post that is more out of synch with the climate of togetherness and camaraderie around the club right now. Do one 

? The climate of togetherness and camaraderie ?

Then you say Do one ?

sorry, that just tickled me

8 minutes ago, GlastoEls said:

89! ?

It was close!

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On 18/01/2022 at 10:21, FlyBritishMidland said:

I emailed Trevor Birch last night and specifically referenced this paragraph.  Plus the fact the statement said MFC’s claim was over 12 months ago, this case was 15 months ago and yet we weren’t found guilty of breaching FFP until after our accounts were submitted in August last year.  How and on what basis we’re they claiming in the intervening period if we hadn’t actually been found guilty of anything?

I even included the link to the MFC case from October 2021, just in case he had trouble finding it.

What’s Trevor Birch’s e-mail address?

I want to put forward a plan to finance us to the end of the season which involves sueing Liverpool for keeping us out of Europe in 87

Back of the net for that article, blinding read.

2 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Boro were previously quoted as saying they'll wait for a guilty verdict before claiming compensation. Their claim will almost certainly be for the amortisation policy and systematic cheating.

The only thing we have been found guilty of is not explaining the policy succinctly. We weren’t found guilty of the policy itself or of any systematic cheating.

25 minutes ago, Woodley Ram said:

Unfortunately @PistoldPeteDerby and Mel are interlinked during his ownership period.  It’s not unheard of re the soft loans everyone does it. Sorry but if breaking the FFP rules is cheating then Mel/Derby did cheat. 
 

the 2 things I would say is

1- despite what the Middlesbrough statement says they don’t have the strongest case as there are far too many if and buts to a football season.  If I remember rightly we were over spent by small amounts each year (thanks to the sale of PP (which was taking the P really)). Unless they have some killer evidence I don’t see where it can go, but I have not seen the evidence.

2 - I’m not sure how a claim for damages that Derby refutes can be classed as a football debt. I understand why Middlesbrough want it done that way but how can it be? If it had been through a process and Derby were found guilty then yes. I’m not sure how you can be found guilty before a trial or tribunal, which is essentially what they are trying to do. 
 

i don’t accept if the comment you don’t think we will win just say you will pay for it if we do, that’s childish. We should find a way to say that we accept this going to an arbitration hearing after the takeover and will abide by its decision that’s seems fair and a way forward.

we need to play this with a straight bat

We weren’t found guilty of breaking FFP rules, we were given a token fine for not explaining our policy properly.

we accepted a nine point deduction for failure of FFP because we were in administration and had no stomach for another fight. If it had gone to arbitration we would probably have been found guilty and given a similar punishment to Reading, but we weren’t actually found guilty of anything but a technicality.

10 minutes ago, Oldben said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-60027177

Hurray, now at last perhaps the stupid claims of boro and Wycombe can be ended.

The efl could be forced to listen to derbys administrators

It’s good that news is finally getting out, but this annoys me;

”But administrators say legal cases brought against the Rams by other clubs are delaying a takeover.”

it’s not a ‘legal claim’ they’ve just stuck their finger in the air and said ‘you owe us £46m.’

One Boro forum

Check mate.

12 minutes ago, GenBr said:

Yes but thats all supposition. You don't know how much Knight would sell for or any of our other youth players.

Traditionally we've been pretty abysmal at getting any value for our young stars.

Yes, what we could do with is a good businessman who would know how and when to sell players to make the most money from them.

Someone like…erm…ooh…I don’t know….erm….Mike Ashley?

40 minutes ago, Indy said:

DCFC article says it’s because it’s classed as a bank holiday fixture? I don’t understand how it could be though - wouldn’t that have been the Boxing Day game (delayed to 27 Dec)? 

Whoever sorts these fixtures out must be utterly incompetent or taking a massive backhander, or both. Switch the Reading and Stoke games and it would be a sell out, but we can’t even pay to watch it at home.

5 minutes ago, Abu Derby said:

Neither Boro or Wycombe can categorically prove sod all therefore won’t receive a penny. 

Just like the EFL, they don’t have to prove anything, they know we aren’t in a position to challenge them in a long drawn out court case.

5 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

I think he had just lost a close family member and was basically drowning his sorrows, then got in to the car unaware how much Tom had had to drink. He gets sacked, the two main culprits keep their jobs….

I’m not sure how you can deduce that he didn’t know how much Lawrence (and Bennett) had had to drink, it was the joiners, they were in the same bar all night, not in a different country, and there was the video of Bennett hammered in the toilet with players around him, of course he would have known the two of them were too drunk to drive.

Way past stage 5 and into:

duck it, just put us out of our misery and start again next season at Moorways in the East Counties Northern Division Two (south).

Balls to the EFL, to SKY TV, to Mel Morris and all the other chancers.

A supporter group run club moving upwards, playing proper football with honest footballers.

10/10 for loudness

Just done it, despite the target already being reached, I guess they’re owed a little in interest.

now, about the money we owe Boro and the EFL?

14 minutes ago, Ramarena said:

I think it will have been easy for the EFL. 

You run out of money in Jan and the chances of getting a takeover done with penalties hanging over you are small.

So if you don’t agree to this, we’re going to wait this out and watch you go under!

This is exactly it, we can’t go through another lengthy appeals process so they can stick us with whatever punishment they want, whether we’re guilty of it or not. 
having said that, the losses look pretty bad, not the minor losses that Mel was trying to make out. 

On 08/11/2021 at 13:43, curb said:

This is getting rather bizarre, yes, so far only Mad Mel’s 12 administration points, which I have never denied, but as you well know, there are still points to be docked for the restated accounts, which they haven’t seen fit to disclose to us yet.

Those points

1 hour ago, MuespachRam said:

And they don’t need to disclose It…. It’s up to them, it’s their rules that we broke or didn’t  

if you are accused of murdering someone you have no right to complain to the judge about the time It takes them to review the evidence…

 

I’ve no idea what you’re on about now, I think I’ll leave it there.

2 hours ago, MuespachRam said:

So, the only points we have been docked so far are the 12 because Mad Mel put us in to administration because he couldn’t afford to let his bank account drop below a few hundred million…? Just those then.? 

This is getting rather bizarre, yes, so far only Mad Mel’s 12 administration points, which I have never denied, but as you well know, there are still points to be docked for the restated accounts, which they haven’t seen fit to disclose to us yet.

21 minutes ago, MuespachRam said:

Yeah, so, how many points have we been docked for cheating….? And how many have we been docked for breaking the rules..? 

They’re still holding that over us, along with a transfer embargo, I’m not really sure why you have a bee in your bonnet about it, it’s fairly simple.