NottsRam77 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Paultheram said: I honestly think we have got the players that are capable to do so much better if they were played in the right positions and told to play football. Forget this b******* about been aggressive, just play football!!! For example.. barks and NML have bags of pace so use it, CH further up pitch to create rather than having 100 touch’s infront of the back 4 I dont. barks is a poor excuse of a footballer theyre fast… so what? barks was offside about 10 times in 5 minutes last weekend. He cant find a white shirt at any higher rate than one in 4 he got shown the door by a pretty below average championship side and wasnt able to find a club that were willing to pull the plug and sign him (us) til the final 2 weeks of the transfer window hes a terrible footballer ditto collins Edited October 29, 2023 by NottsRam77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paultheram Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: I dont. barks is a poor excuse of a footballer theyre fast… so what? barks was offside about 10 times in 5 minutes last weekend. He cant find a white shirt at any higher rate than one in 4 he got shown the door by a pretty below average championship side and wasnt able to find a club that were willing to pull the plug and sign him (us) til the final 2 weeks of the transfer window hes a terrible footballer ditto collins So the tatics have been long ball for them to chase.. that is not football. We have got players in positions where they should be getting into 1 on 1 positions i think the problem for Collins is that he try’s to hard, wether that is coming deep for the ball or chasing down lost causes. we need him as the CF to be in and around the penalty box until the shackles are taken off this team won’t get results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich3478 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 13 minutes ago, derbydaz22 said: This just shows what Warne is all about we get beat playing very little football and his answer is run more be more physical etc how about try and play some football ? I’m sick of this garbage being served up. I could almost accept this if we were a lovely, possession based team full of young kids. But we’re not, I don’t even know what we’re trying to be. I still wouldn’t class us as particularity long ball. We just seem to achieve very little apart from crosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 More League 1 is about boxing rubbish from Leigh Curtis. I cannot believe he thinks our lack of goals, let alone our performance were due to not being able to 'streetfight'! "...Let's be real. Derby are nice to watch if you let them play as proven by their performance against Exeter last week because they showed Warne's side respect. And that was fine. Max Bird was given time on the ball, so was Conor Hourihane. But when it becomes a streetfight as it did here, too many players go missing. The midfield in particular is so weak when faced with opposition who want to make shinpads rattle... Some Derby fans on social media said it has been an issue for years which makes you understand why they would have loved Graeme Shinnie back. But the brutal truth is until it is solved Derby won't be going anywhere. You can't coach players to be aggressive and it does not matter who is in the dugout. It has to come from within because, at the minute, this is a team that is ill-equipped for League One warfare at places like Stevenage." I saw no 'warfare' from Stevenage, nor rattling of shinpads, we made the most fouls apparently: A more pertinent point might be our crossing accuracy from 23 crosses - 8.7%!!! Yet we kept on doing it!!! David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich3478 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 14 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: I dont. barks is a poor excuse of a footballer theyre fast… so what? barks was offside about 10 times in 5 minutes last weekend. He cant find a white shirt at any higher rate than one in 4 he got shown the door by a pretty below average championship side and wasnt able to find a club that were willing to pull the plug and sign him (us) til the final 2 weeks of the transfer window hes a terrible footballer ditto collins I’m not very convinced by our squad either. Barkhuizen is ok, but nothing like consistent enough to start every week. He doesn’t start every week in possibly our worst ever team. Should tell you a lot. forwards are really poor, Collins, Washington and waghorn really don’t inspire much. Waghorn. Had a great start but fading a little now. The fact all three have started a game each in last three again suggests warne has no idea which is the best or good enough. Midfield is over rated too, bird pretty much defines our “soft underbelly” for me. A nice footballer but doesn’t achieve anywhere near enough with the ball to make up for his lack of pace, lack of tackling, lack of runs from midfield. Hourihane and Smith seem to be declining as well, again have no pace or energy and very little tackling between them. Wingbacks we’ve signed seem average at best, Wilson seems honest and tries. Wars I can’t say. Elder looked awful early on. Look a lot further from the championship now than we did last season. Tyler Durden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: More League 1 is about boxing rubbish from Leigh Curtis. I cannot believe he thinks our lack of goals, let alone our performance were due to not being able to 'streetfight'! "...Let's be real. Derby are nice to watch if you let them play as proven by their performance against Exeter last week because they showed Warne's side respect. And that was fine. Max Bird was given time on the ball, so was Conor Hourihane. But when it becomes a streetfight as it did here, too many players go missing. The midfield in particular is so weak when faced with opposition who want to make shinpads rattle... Some Derby fans on social media said it has been an issue for years which makes you understand why they would have loved Graeme Shinnie back. But the brutal truth is until it is solved Derby won't be going anywhere. You can't coach players to be aggressive and it does not matter who is in the dugout. It has to come from within because, at the minute, this is a team that is ill-equipped for League One warfare at places like Stevenage." I saw no 'warfare' from Stevenage, nor rattling of shinpads, we made the most fouls apparently: A more pertinent point might be our crossing accuracy from 23 crosses - 8.7%!!! Yet we kept on doing it!!! That's 2 accurate crosses! If that's our primary attack weapon we ain't scoring many that's for sure...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich3478 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: More League 1 is about boxing rubbish from Leigh Curtis. I cannot believe he thinks our lack of goals, let alone our performance were due to not being able to 'streetfight'! "...Let's be real. Derby are nice to watch if you let them play as proven by their performance against Exeter last week because they showed Warne's side respect. And that was fine. Max Bird was given time on the ball, so was Conor Hourihane. But when it becomes a streetfight as it did here, too many players go missing. The midfield in particular is so weak when faced with opposition who want to make shinpads rattle... Some Derby fans on social media said it has been an issue for years which makes you understand why they would have loved Graeme Shinnie back. But the brutal truth is until it is solved Derby won't be going anywhere. You can't coach players to be aggressive and it does not matter who is in the dugout. It has to come from within because, at the minute, this is a team that is ill-equipped for League One warfare at places like Stevenage." I saw no 'warfare' from Stevenage, nor rattling of shinpads, we made the most fouls apparently: A more pertinent point might be our crossing accuracy from 23 crosses - 8.7%!!! Yet we kept on doing it!!! We’re really not nice to watch! decision was/is needed. Bird and hourihane together is too weak. Smith offers little. Who are the crosses even aimed at? Collins and Washington? Hardly giants are they. agree that I see little warfare, we’re not fit enough, quick enough or dynamic enough. Need loads more energy in the team. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Rich3478 said: I’m not very convinced by our squad either. Barkhuizen is ok, but nothing like consistent enough to start every week. He doesn’t start every week in possibly our worst ever team. Should tell you a lot. forwards are really poor, Collins, Washington and waghorn really don’t inspire much. Waghorn. Had a great start but fading a little now. The fact all three have started a game each in last three again suggests warne has no idea which is the best or good enough. Midfield is over rated too, bird pretty much defines our “soft underbelly” for me. A nice footballer but doesn’t achieve anywhere near enough with the ball to make up for his lack of pace, lack of tackling, lack of runs from midfield. Hourihane and Smith seem to be declining as well, again have no pace or energy and very little tackling between them. Wingbacks we’ve signed seem average at best, Wilson seems honest and tries. Wars I can’t say. Elder looked awful early on. Look a lot further from the championship now than we did last season. It's not the players, it's how they are set up to play. Above I posted some match stats. We made 23 crosses with an accuracy of 8.7%! Why did we keep on doing that?! Our goal came from Max 'soft underbelly' Bird dummying Sibs midfield pass for NML to score! The second half defined what Warne is about - tell me who was playing where doing what?! No wonder we look such a mess, we are a chaotic scrum of players!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich3478 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Just now, RoyMac5 said: It's not the players, it's how they are set up to play. Above I posted some match stats. We made 23 crosses with an accuracy of 8.7%! Why did we keep on doing that?! Our goal came from Max 'soft underbelly' Bird dummying Sibs midfield pass for NML to score! The second half defined what Warne is about - tell me who was playing where doing what?! No wonder we look such a mess, we are a chaotic scrum of players!!! I agree the set up is awful, I just think the players are perhaps not as good as being made out to be. Said yesterday how confused I was by all the substitutions. Was a mess. Archied 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 I try not to be too knee jerk but I just couldn't see how we were going to get a foothold in the game yesterday with that midfield and Washington up front. Made no sense to me. Really poor first half ....as bad as I've seen. Huge backward step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTom92 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 26 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: More League 1 is about boxing rubbish from Leigh Curtis. I cannot believe he thinks our lack of goals, let alone our performance were due to not being able to 'streetfight'! "...Let's be real. Derby are nice to watch if you let them play as proven by their performance against Exeter last week because they showed Warne's side respect. And that was fine. Max Bird was given time on the ball, so was Conor Hourihane. But when it becomes a streetfight as it did here, too many players go missing. The midfield in particular is so weak when faced with opposition who want to make shinpads rattle... Some Derby fans on social media said it has been an issue for years which makes you understand why they would have loved Graeme Shinnie back. But the brutal truth is until it is solved Derby won't be going anywhere. You can't coach players to be aggressive and it does not matter who is in the dugout. It has to come from within because, at the minute, this is a team that is ill-equipped for League One warfare at places like Stevenage." I saw no 'warfare' from Stevenage, nor rattling of shinpads, we made the most fouls apparently: A more pertinent point might be our crossing accuracy from 23 crosses - 8.7%!!! Yet we kept on doing it!!! Think it’s more the street fighter style of play. We couldn’t press them yesterday because as soon as their defenders got it they hoofed it up the pitch, won the header and then played in our final third. Plus as soon as we sneezed on them bear the box they dropped like flies. Think we need to find the ability to survive in these types of matches and be clinical when we have our 10 minutes. Something which Rowett’s team was good at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, TomTom92 said: Think it’s more the street fighter style of play. We couldn’t press them yesterday because as soon as their defenders got it they hoofed it up the pitch, won the header and then played in our final third. Plus as soon as we sneezed on them bear the box they dropped like flies. Think we need to find the ability to survive in these types of matches and be clinical when we have our 10 minutes. Something which Rowett’s team was good at. Provide that stats that back that view up. We made the most fouls. Well their defenders would 'hoof' it up the pitch after our continual bombardment of crosses. That was how they scored their third goal no doubt. Did you see it, awful football on the deck. David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 hour ago, NottsRam77 said: I dont. barks is a poor excuse of a footballer theyre fast… so what? barks was offside about 10 times in 5 minutes last weekend. He cant find a white shirt at any higher rate than one in 4 he got shown the door by a pretty below average championship side and wasnt able to find a club that were willing to pull the plug and sign him (us) til the final 2 weeks of the transfer window hes a terrible footballer ditto collins Barkhuizen was offside only twice during his whole time on the pitch last weekend. Archied, Jram and angieram 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jram Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 10 hours ago, norwichram said: Not bad man… thanks for asking. how’s things your end? Glad to hear it 👍🏻 I’m good norwichram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Derby Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Thought Wildsmith had a very poor game yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Rich3478 said: I’m not very convinced by our squad either. Barkhuizen is ok, but nothing like consistent enough to start every week. He doesn’t start every week in possibly our worst ever team. Should tell you a lot. forwards are really poor, Collins, Washington and waghorn really don’t inspire much. Waghorn. Had a great start but fading a little now. The fact all three have started a game each in last three again suggests warne has no idea which is the best or good enough. Midfield is over rated too, bird pretty much defines our “soft underbelly” for me. A nice footballer but doesn’t achieve anywhere near enough with the ball to make up for his lack of pace, lack of tackling, lack of runs from midfield. Hourihane and Smith seem to be declining as well, again have no pace or energy and very little tackling between them. Wingbacks we’ve signed seem average at best, Wilson seems honest and tries. Wars I can’t say. Elder looked awful early on. Look a lot further from the championship now than we did last season. The issue with Collins is that if we had wingbacks capable of putting pinpoint crosses into the box then he would get his fair share of goals which speaks volumes about our wingbacks rather than Collin's capabilities. The number of aimless lumps under the guide of crosses I counted in the game against Exeter was obscene. Not sure about Washington as he hasn't had that much game time really. Totally concur about our midfield it is slow and lightweight, am sure it's capable of playing one touch passing if given the time and space or if the opposition allows which being in League 1 is a luxury which hardly ever materialises. May Contain Nuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadAmster Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Lots of ball. More shots. Less than them on target. Their XG 1.89, ours 0.77. They play the type of "industrial" football Derby struggle with. They also have the skill to play "proper" football as proven by their 3rd goal. They can vary their play, we, apparently, can't. That's the difference. Did Foz play the ball first when he got booked and they scored from the free kick? I though he did. Did CH commit a foul for the free kick for their 2nd? I didn't think he did. Was Wash fouled and should that have been a penalty? Hard one to call. It was one of those that would be given half the time. Am I the only one who thinks it would have been given at the other end? Warne saying Northampton are another good side. They are only out of the drop zone on goal difference. That game on Tuesday at PP has to be a really convincing victory. Anything less than that and the levels of toxicity will hit record heights and understandably so. Many will disagree with this next sentence. We have the players to make a very good side. We have seen that in just 3, maybe 4 games this season. Games in which the opposition tried to play football the way Derby fans like the game to be played. Solving the struggle against "industrial" sides is the key to success. I had hoped Fornah might be the solution but after some positive performances he seemed to go off the boil. angieram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 2 hours ago, NottsRam77 said: I dont. barks is a poor excuse of a footballer theyre fast… so what? barks was offside about 10 times in 5 minutes last weekend. He cant find a white shirt at any higher rate than one in 4 he got shown the door by a pretty below average championship side and wasnt able to find a club that were willing to pull the plug and sign him (us) til the final 2 weeks of the transfer window hes a terrible footballer ditto collins Sorry is that the Barkhuizen we signed on the 3rd July, 3 days after his contract ran out and 2 days after the takeover was finalised? Or a different one? norwichram and angieram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Paultheram said: So the tatics have been long ball for them to chase.. that is not football. We have got players in positions where they should be getting into 1 on 1 positions i think the problem for Collins is that he try’s to hard, wether that is coming deep for the ball or chasing down lost causes. we need him as the CF to be in and around the penalty box until the shackles are taken off this team won’t get results it is though isnt it, we still have to be able to move the ball on occasions and we fail to that… its mot solely back to front … how many times do we move the ball inside to only give it away we do still try to play.. see our equaliser yesterday .. that was football.. but the players imo arnt anywhere good enough to execute it consistently Re collins, U know when u try too hard at something and your still not good enough the writing is kinda on the wall isnt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 minute ago, nottingram said: Sorry is that the Barkhuizen we signed on the 3rd July, 3 days after his contract ran out and 2 days after the takeover was finalised? Or a different one? Yer the same barkhauzen who if had been any good would have been offered a new deal at preston or would have taken up one of the offers he could have signed 6 months before the end of his contract .. yer thats the one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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