Warne Out Out

[Blondest Goat]

9 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

I came to my conclusion based on what Clowes has said himself;

Clowes said he even stuck by Pearce when "three chief execs from other clubs" got in touch with him about the position when he first took over.

"There was a thinking that when we took over the football club he would be the first person out the door, but I didn't see it that way," Clowes continued.

"Stephen came to see me just before we acquired the club, we had a good chat for quite a few hours. He told me about the past and how he sees the club going forward. I saw qualities in Stephen, he is a good operator, he knows the club inside out.

"He has a story to tell but in his own time. He has unfinished business with Derby and he will tell you that himself."

Taken from this interview in June of this year; https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65959914.amp

and also this snippet from this magazine interview https://heyzine.com/flip-book/8867b12b48.html#page/21

 

 

I think there’s been other bits said too but I can’t be bothered looking for them all. Essentially I understand it as Clowes not knowing the club inside out kept Pearce on to support the transition from admin back to “normal”, which helped re-hiring staff, sorting out commercial aspects, recruiting players (the admin side of) and the like, all of which would have been potentially more challenging without the existing knowledge that Pearce had, even if he is a snake.

Yes I guess that makes sense but surely continuity on the footballing side was just as important as it was for the finances?  Hindsight is a wonderful thing but replacing Rosenior looks like a poor decision now.  You could see that he was building a team with an identity.  What identity do we have now?  We play a completely different game from one match to the next.

[Comrade 86]

43 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Why would you sign a 'promotion expert' only to accept it'll take lots of time?

Because he's the one footing the bill and has already paid spaffed £40 million on a club worth half that.

Because we under a business plan that may not allow us to splurge on compo for the latest mass staff sackings, nor splash out on a new gaffer for you to slag off.

Because what you are advocating is what got us in the s*** in the first place, something else you appear to have forgotten.

Because some of the Derby 'faithful' whose club Clowes saved are now revealed as faithless, ungrateful shitstirrers and he's now wishing he hadn't bothered.

I mean, how long have you got? 

[Wolfie20]

1 hour ago, Barney1991 said:

And half them admitted they don’t actually go to games. 

One or two of the big noises on here who want him gone don't go either but not going to games doesn't stop them being Rams fans and entitled to an opinion.

[RoyMac5]

Just now, Comrade 86 said:

Because he's the one footing the bill and has already paid spaffed £40 million on a club worth half that.

Because we under a business plan that may not allow us to splurge on compo for the latest mass staff sackings, nor splash out on a new gaffer for you to slag off.

Because what you are advocating is what got us in the s*** in the first place, something else you appear to have forgotten.

Because some of the Derby 'faithful' whose club Clowes saved are now revealed as faithless, ungrateful shitstirrers and he's now wishing he hadn't bothered.

I mean, how long have you got? 

[Comrade 86]

9 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Oh that settles it then doesn't it, Woy! Some bloke on twatter apparently knows the terms of our business plan and that's all we need to know. Fabulous.

Come on Dave, sack him mate! Some random on Twatter found another random on Twatter and they've both decided it'll all be fine. 

LMFAO

Edited October 30, 2023 by Comrade 86

[Srg]

8 minutes ago, Comrade 86 said:

Oh that settles it then doesn't it, Woy! Some bloke on twatter apparently knows the terms of our business plan and that's all we need to know. Fabulous.

Come on Dave, sack him mate! Some random on Twatter found another random on Twatter and they've both decided it'll all be fine. 

LMFAO

If Clowes put Warne into a contract he couldn’t afford to pay off under the terms of any business plan if it went tits up, then he’s a bigger moron than any of us think he is for just not sacking him. 

[Bald Eagle's Barmy Army]

49 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

You've either not read my post or you're being deliberately argumentative.

He/she has been that way since I can remember. 
 

Comes across as a bit of a 🪚 🔨 🪚 

[G STAR RAM]

51 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Don't bother. I went through great detail listing recent L1 wage bills for every club in this division, yet still got the "just guessing" response.

You're listing historical information, not current information. 

Also wages will cover a variety of things.

DCFC will have a significantly higher wage bill than most clubs but also significantly more staff I'd imagine. 

You have as much clue on playing staff budget as everyone else ie none.

[i-Ram]

5 minutes ago, Srg said:

If Clowes put Warne into a contract he couldn’t afford to pay off under the terms of any business plan if it went tits up, then he’s a bigger moron than any of us think he is for just not sacking him. 

Are you saying Clowes is a moron because he hasn’t sacked Warne yet?

[Andicis]

4 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

You're listing historical information, not current information. 

Also wages will cover a variety of things.

DCFC will have a significantly higher wage bill than most clubs but also significantly more staff I'd imagine. 

You have as much clue on playing staff budget as everyone else ie none.

G Star, in your opinion, do Derby have a wage budget for playing staff that is within the top 6 in the division?

[G STAR RAM]

2 minutes ago, Andicis said:

G Star, in your opinion, do Derby have a wage budget for playing staff that is within the top 6 in the division?

Yes, Id imagine so. Think the others in the top 6 would be the 3 that came down plus Oxford and Portsmouth. 

Nothing to back that up though. 

[G STAR RAM]

12 minutes ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said:

He/she has been that way since I can remember. 
 

Comes across as a bit of a 🪚 🔨 🪚 

That makes 2 of us...

[MaltRam]

Well, I finally chucked my toys out after the Stevenage debacle and joined the Warne Out brigade, but I'll get behind the lads AND the manager again tomorrow night.

Results will tell the tale of how it pans out. If we'remid-table at Christmas I don't see how it's remotely tenable to carry on. If we look like going backwards from last season in league position it'll be the worst season in our history. No coming back from that, stability or no stability.

[Jimbo Ram]

34 minutes ago, Comrade 86 said:

Because he's the one footing the bill and has already paid spaffed £40 million on a club worth half that.

Because we under a business plan that may not allow us to splurge on compo for the latest mass staff sackings, nor splash out on a new gaffer for you to slag off.

Because what you are advocating is what got us in the s*** in the first place, something else you appear to have forgotten.

Because some of the Derby 'faithful' whose club Clowes saved are now revealed as faithless, ungrateful shitstirrers and he's now wishing he hadn't bothered.

I mean, how long have you got? 

So would you have kept Tango Man and Porno Paul for longer….to keep the club ‘stable’ ?

[Caerphilly Ram]

15 minutes ago, Srg said:

If Clowes put Warne into a contract he couldn’t afford to pay off under the terms of any business plan if it went tits up, then he’s a bigger moron than any of us think he is for just not sacking him. 

I don’t get why anyone would believe Clowes to be a moron purely based on his decision to run his business how he sees fit.
If people don’t like Warne and want him sacked that’s up to them, other people don’t share that opinion currently, including it seems the one person who can actually make that call. Having a different (and far more informed than ANY of us) opinion doesn’t qualify Clowes as a moron 🤷🏻‍♂️ 

[G STAR RAM]

2 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

I don’t get why anyone would believe Clowes to be a moron purely based on his decision to run his business how he sees fit.
If people don’t like Warne and want him sacked that’s up to them, other people don’t share that opinion currently, including it seems the one person who can actually make that call. Having a different (and far more informed than ANY of us) opinion doesn’t qualify Clowes as a moron 🤷🏻‍♂️ 

Some of the language being used about both our manager and chairman, from supposed 'supporters' beggars belief.

[Comrade 86]

Just now, Srg said:

If Clowes put Warne into a contract he couldn’t afford to pay off under the terms of any business plan if it went tits up, then he’s a bigger moron than any of us think he is for just not sacking him. 

And now we are sinking to a level where we label Clowes a 'moron' too. Classy AF that is, even made me wince! 

Oddly, I don't recall you thinking it 'moronic' when he hired Warne. You were too busy flashing your poms poms and telling everyone who disagreed with Warne's appointment that they were thick. The fact is, we don't know whether what we want is doable. Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn't, but don't pretend you know any better please, because you don't.

 

[Andicis]

2 minutes ago, Comrade 86 said:

And now we are sinking to a level where we label Clowes a 'moron' too. Classy AF that is, even made me wince! 

Oddly, I don't recall you thinking it 'moronic' when he hired Warne. You were too busy flashing your poms poms and telling everyone who disagreed with Warne's appointment that they were thick. The fact is, we don't know whether what we want is doable. Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn't, but don't pretend you know any better please, because you don't.

 

To be fair, not having any contingency in place for firing Warne would be absolutely reckless from Clowes and a bit moronic, which is why I don't believe it to be the case.

[Comrade 86]

3 minutes ago, Andicis said:

To be fair, not having any contingency in place for firing Warne would be absolutely reckless from Clowes and a bit moronic, which is why I don't believe it to be the case.

Has it not occurred to you that one of the very restrictions upon which the EFL may have insisted, is that we don't do the manager churn s***, that led to our mad overspend in the first place? Might the removal of Rosenior mere weeks into the season, be our ace played early? I'm gonna duck out now anyway as I think any material facts have long since become irrelevant to this thread.

[Andicis]

3 minutes ago, Comrade 86 said:

Has it not occurred to you that one of the very restrictions upon which the EFL may have insisted, is that we don't do the manager churn s***, that led to our mad overspend in the first place? Might the removal of Rosenior mere weeks into the season, be our ace played early? I'm gonna duck out now anyway as I think any material facts have long since become irrelevant to this thread.

Maybe, but I doubt the EFL could insist on us keeping our manager. I'm not inferring Clowes is a moron, I think he's a smart guy, I just think there is no way we wouldn't have anything in place in case we needed to fire Warne. Even if we hired Guardiola it would be advisable to have a get out plan. My point is that I doubt it's a financial decision not to fire Warne and more that Clowes still believes in Warne. 

Edited October 30, 2023 by Andicis