Tamworthram Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, Andicis said: FFP seems somewhat redundant in that instance if that is the case. A quick google does appear to be correct there. I think it’s less about “fair play” (in the sense of trying to create a level playing field) and more about “sustainability” (clubs not getting into debt with their owner/parent company. That’s why to be included in the turnover figure it has to be an actual donation not a loan or repayable investment). RadioactiveWaste and Andicis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyOwl1 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 Your right to have a good laugh at us !!! You were cheated out of a point last weekend.You were the better side and every owl thinks it was never a penalty or a sending off See you next season we will probably be 2 nil up and loss 3-2 !!! From the world class bottlers !!! Derby4Me, scout's dad, S6 boy and 10 others 1 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 55 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said: They achieved 96 points in the same league . I’d suggest that if there isn’t a single player we’d have from their squad then we probably haven’t watched or don’t know enough about their players… 20 points more than us would point to a significantly better squad than ours. they’ll be favourites for the title next season no doubt. They will not be my favourites Rammy03 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyOwl1 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 Your right to have a good laugh at us !!! You were cheated out of a point last weekend.You were the better side and every owl thinks it was never a penalty or a sending off See you next season we will probably be 2 nil up and loss 3-2 !!! We have a big rebuilding job to do to many old players and lots of players out of contract Very classless and embarrassing of a section of our fans to chant you staying down.pride comes before a fall. Love Paul Warne great man and manager.sadly Moore will be sacked a really good man will be sorry to see him go Our season ticket prices are ridiculous From the world class bottle jobs !! SKRam, WystonRam, angieram and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 Not sure if @WalkleyOwl is still on the forum but if you are, I just wanted to pop by and let you that you were, how did you phrase it... Ah yes, you were 'f****** w***'. See you next season saddo. 86 x Kathcairns, Premier ram, scout's dad and 5 others 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 1 hour ago, IlsonDerby said: They achieved 96 points in the same league . I’d suggest that if there isn’t a single player we’d have from their squad then we probably haven’t watched or don’t know enough about their players… 20 points more than us would point to a significantly better squad than ours. they’ll be favourites for the title next season no doubt. They didn’t get the refs behaviour we did 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 1 hour ago, WystonRam said: Insane ST prices too for next season That’s absolutely staggering season ticket prices - hideously high and remember it’s the third division - the owners don’t deserve anyone turning up - or paying up SKRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 22 minutes ago, DerbyOwl1 said: Your right to have a good laugh at us !!! You were cheated out of a point last weekend.You were the better side and every owl thinks it was never a penalty or a sending off See you next season we will probably be 2 nil up and loss 3-2 !!! We have a big rebuilding job to do to many old players and lots of players out of contract Very classless and embarrassing of a section of our fans to chant you staying down.pride comes before a fall. Love Paul Warne great man and manager.sadly Moore will be sacked a really good man will be sorry to see him go Our season ticket prices are ridiculous From the world class bottle jobs !! Just banter. I’m pretty sure a good number of Derby fans would have song the same if the roles had been reversed. SKRam, Kathcairns and Comrade 86 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 31 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: Just banter. I’m pretty sure a good number of Derby fans would have song the same if the roles had been reversed. Leeds Ram, Tamworthram, angieram and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Tamworthram said: I thought the only restriction in league 1 is that clubs can only spend a maximum of 60% of their turnover on players wages. Crucially for this point, revenue can include donations from owners. If I’m correct, then they can overcome the restrictions if Chansiri chooses to inject more funds into the club. Hence why him being a billionaire could be significant. You are correct regarding L1 financial rules. However, they will still have to comply with Championship P&S rules upon promotion. A lot of excludables in L1 are not excluded from Championship P&S calculations. In effect, L1 clubs with an aspiration of winning promotion have to follow Championship rules too. Andicis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Sparkle said: That’s absolutely staggering season ticket prices - hideously high and remember it’s the third division - the owners don’t deserve anyone turning up - or paying up A bit of context, season tickets have been on sale since January, when you could have got a ticket on the Kop for £395 and South Stand for £535. This I think is the third or fourth round of price increases since then. This price is only until Monday when the next increase comes in. I would imagine lots of fans would have bought early when they were nailed on certainties to win the league 😂. Sparkle and Premier ram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 “It’s a funny old game!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 4 hours ago, Andicis said: What are you talking about? What does Chansiri being a billionaire have to do with FFP? They have lower revenue in league one, therefore less room to spend. It is not easier to get around FFP lower down, not sure what you're saying? They dont even have FFP as such in leagues 1 and 2 do they? No limits on losses as far as i am aware other than the wage to turnover limitations is there? Dunno if you spends £50 mill in L1 if that counts towards allowable losses in the championship if you get promoted thpugh Andicis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, GenBr said: They dont even have FFP as such in leagues 1 and 2 do they? No limits on losses as far as i am aware other than the wage to turnover limitations is there? Dunno if you spends £50 mill in L1 if that counts towards allowable losses in the championship if you get promoted thpugh Yeah, today I learned the rules differ in the lower leagues compared to the Championship, figured it didn't make sense for them to be run in such a different way. @Ghost of Clough says above however that it may impact the position in the Championship, which is certainly relevant. GenBr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WystonRam Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Foreveram said: A bit of context, season tickets have been on sale since January, when you could have got a ticket on the Kop for £395 and South Stand for £535. This I think is the third or fourth round of price increases since then. This price is only until Monday when the next increase comes in. I would imagine lots of fans would have bought early when they were nailed on certainties to win the league 😂. Probably yes, btw i saw the twitter post with these prices from wednesday fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Andicis said: Yeah, today I learned the rules differ in the lower leagues compared to the Championship, figured it didn't make sense for them to be run in such a different way. @Ghost of Clough says above however that it may impact the position in the Championship, which is certainly relevant. It's called "SCMP" in L1 and L2 (can't remember what it stands for). In L1, it's 60% of certain revenue plus 100% of other revenue (such as cup income, player sales, and owner cash injection). Clubs relegated from the Champio ship have a slightly higher allowance than the 60% bit. League 2 is 50% instead. Andicis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 Derby and Wednesday are so alike. So accustomed to bottling it. And now looking at smaller rival clubs outperform them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: It's called "SCMP" in L1 and L2 (can't remember what it stands for). In L1, it's 60% of certain revenue plus 100% of other revenue (such as cup income, player sales, and owner cash injection). Clubs relegated from the Champio ship have a slightly higher allowance than the 60% bit. League 2 is 50% instead. Salary Cost Management Protocol. How could you have forgotten? 😀 Ghost of Clough and SKRam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Sparkle said: They didn’t get the refs behaviour we did 👍 Did you watch all their games?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 1 hour ago, IlsonDerby said: Did you watch all their games?? They didn’t get the refs we did because we had them 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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