Bris Vegas Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Derby’s record against teams inside the bottom four is amazing. Derby 1-0 Cambridge Cambridge 0-2 Derby Derby 5-0 Morecambe Morecambe 1-1 Derby Derby 4-0 Accrington Accrington 0-3 Derby Derby 4-0 FGR FGR 0-2 Derby P8 W7 D1 L0 GF 22 GA 1 GD 21 Now onto out record against the rest of the division P35 W13 D11 L11 GF 43 GA 43 GD 0 Not very good is it? G STAR RAM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTFR Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 I'd imagine most teams have won more games against the bottom 4. That's why they're in the bottom 4. Ghost of Clough, GboroRam, admira and 18 others 7 4 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 If you play a team that’s 2nd in the table and win, you are awarded 3 points, the exact same number of points as you would if you beat a team in 20th. Caerphilly Ram, Andicis and jono 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, UTFR said: I'd imagine most teams have won more games against the bottom 4. That's why they're in the bottom 4. You’d be surprised. All of the top four 4 have dropped points against the bottom 4, and their GD against the rest of the league is + unlike Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, David said: If you play a team that’s 2nd in the table and win, you are awarded 3 points, the exact same number of points as you would if you beat a team in 20th. Ever heard of six pointers? You beat 20th and lose to 2nd, you have 3 points and 2nd has 3 points. You beat 2nd and lose to 20th, you have 3 points and 2nd has 0 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 51 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Derby’s record against teams inside the bottom four is amazing. Derby 1-0 Cambridge Cambridge 0-2 Derby Derby 5-0 Morecambe Morecambe 1-1 Derby Derby 4-0 Accrington Accrington 0-3 Derby Derby 4-0 FGR FGR 0-2 Derby P8 W7 D1 L0 GF 22 GA 1 GD 21 Now onto out record against the rest of the division P35 W13 D11 L11 GF 43 GA 43 GD 0 Not very good is it? And yet we're still challenging for top 6, how does that work statistically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Ever heard of six pointers? You beat 20th and lose to 2nd, you have 3 points and 2nd has 3 points. You beat 2nd and lose to 20th, you have 3 points and 2nd has 0 points. The 6 pointer analogy is this If you're the 3rd team on 80 points and you're playing the 2nd team on 83 points, And the 2nd team beat the 3rd team they are then 6 points in front rather than level if the 3rd team won...hence the 6 pointer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Three points are three points, no matter if you play a team in 3rd or 23rd. I don’t see the point of this thread. Our record v teams outside the bottom four is reflective of where we are, a good top half team that can produce outstanding moments and has an outside chance of promotion. Against the bottom four, surely you can say we’ve done a very professional job. These games are not always straightforward and present the kind of banana skin we have historically been vulnerable to. Look at Cambridge and Forest Green beating Peterborough and Wednesday, for instance. 7 wins from 8 and just 1 goal conceded is not a given. We have earned it. Andicis, Tamworthram and Henrycav81 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 56 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Derby’s record against teams inside the bottom four is amazing. Derby 1-0 Cambridge Cambridge 0-2 Derby Derby 5-0 Morecambe Morecambe 1-1 Derby Derby 4-0 Accrington Accrington 0-3 Derby Derby 4-0 FGR FGR 0-2 Derby P8 W7 D1 L0 GF 22 GA 1 GD 21 Now onto out record against the rest of the division P35 W13 D11 L11 GF 43 GA 43 GD 0 Not very good is it? Ermm ok... maybe now do the same for Peterborough & Bolton 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Ever heard of six pointers? You beat 20th and lose to 2nd, you have 3 points and 2nd has 3 points. You beat 2nd and lose to 20th, you have 3 points and 2nd has 0 points. I have heard of 6 pointers, however they are usually in the context of 2 teams playing each other down the bottom or near the top. The games are still only worth 3 points though. First you discredit McGoldrick's goals, now which clubs we beat to get our points. Did you get out of bed on the wrong side today? Andicis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 How many times over the last few years have we complained about not being able to beat the bottom teams, whilst trying to get promotion to the Premier League? angieram, Carnero, Jourdan and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Jourdan said: I don’t see the point of this thread The point of this thread and for that matter any thread started by Bris is that it is the same as the outcome for any team in the bottom four playing Derby County - usually completely pointless. He gets a kick out of engaging people in a completely pointless debate. He sees himself as many others do also as the champion Masterdebater. He's unbeatable at it and has ridden a record number of winners in the TwatPad Derby. Edited April 19, 2023 by Brailsford Ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSD Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said: Derby’s record against teams inside the bottom four is amazing. Derby 1-0 Cambridge Cambridge 0-2 Derby Derby 5-0 Morecambe Morecambe 1-1 Derby Derby 4-0 Accrington Accrington 0-3 Derby Derby 4-0 FGR FGR 0-2 Derby P8 W7 D1 L0 GF 22 GA 1 GD 21 Now onto out record against the rest of the division P35 W13 D11 L11 GF 43 GA 43 GD 0 Not very good is it? Jourdan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, Brailsford Ram said: The point of this thread and for that matter any thread started by Bris is that it is the same as the outcome for any team in the bottom four playing Derby County - usually completely pointless. He gets a kick out of engaging people in a completely pointless debate. He sees himself as many others do also as the champion Masterdebater. He's unbeatable at it and has ridden a record number of winners in the TwatPad Derby. Yeah. It's difficult to not reply to point out the ****** of his comments. Arghhh trollstruck again! 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Last Post said: The 6 pointer analogy is this If you're the 3rd team on 80 points and you're playing the 2nd team on 83 points, And the 2nd team beat the 3rd team they are then 6 points in front rather than level if the 3rd team won...hence the 6 pointer Nah mate... let me try... Team A v Team B. A draw is a draw, but duck that, let's assume there's a winner and a loser... Let's say Team A win, and get 3 points. Not only do Team B get 0 points, but they've also just played a game, so that's 3 points that they can never have the opportunity to win. That's 3 points taken from the maximum they can hope for at the end of the season. At this point, Team B are 6 points worse off than team A. That's right... 6 points! Et Voila! Get it? Got it? Good! ... Ok, they each have to play each other twice in a season, so technically, it's a two-legged 12 pointer, but more on that on another evening. I'm far to busy at the moment to try to explain that to simpos on here! 👀 Edited April 19, 2023 by Mucker1884 BathRam72 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said: Derby’s record against teams inside the bottom four is amazing. Derby 1-0 Cambridge Cambridge 0-2 Derby Derby 5-0 Morecambe Morecambe 1-1 Derby Derby 4-0 Accrington Accrington 0-3 Derby Derby 4-0 FGR FGR 0-2 Derby P8 W7 D1 L0 GF 22 GA 1 GD 21 Now onto out record against the rest of the division P35 W13 D11 L11 GF 43 GA 43 GD 0 Not very good is it? Not sure what your point is. The teams around us in the league probably have a similar record to us. If not and they have dropped more points than the two we dropped against the bottom four teams. Then surely it's the supporters of these teams that should be upset. Our points total against the top six Plymouth:-0 from 6 Ipswich:-0 from 6 Sheff. W.:- 1 from 3 Barnsley:-3 from 6 Peterborough:-3 from 6 Bolton:-4 from 6 Other than the top two, not an unreasonable return of points against teams vying for promotion As I asked at the start, what point are you trying to make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) So we win more games against s*** teams than good ones... Edited April 19, 2023 by 86 Hair Islands jono, Andicis, ossieram and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roboto Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Bris Vegas said: Derby’s record against teams inside the bottom four is amazing. Derby 1-0 Cambridge Cambridge 0-2 Derby Derby 5-0 Morecambe Morecambe 1-1 Derby Derby 4-0 Accrington Accrington 0-3 Derby Derby 4-0 FGR FGR 0-2 Derby P8 W7 D1 L0 GF 22 GA 1 GD 21 Now onto out record against the rest of the division P35 W13 D11 L11 GF 43 GA 43 GD 0 Not very good is it? Probably about 7th best in the league currently… Mucker1884 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) Take away the bottom four and we drop to 10th, midtable with a GD of 0. That’s kind of worrying. Edited April 19, 2023 by Bris Vegas Day, Jourdan and Andicis 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Just now, Bris Vegas said: Take away the bottom four and we drop to 12th, midtable with a GD of 0. That’s kind of worrying. Take away all of our losses and we are unbeaten this season,thats amazing considering the state we were in during the summer. BathRam72, ck-, Andicis and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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