ram59 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Well, it appears at long last the Football White Paper is finally going to be published. It remains to be seen whether or not it will make much difference to us, the average supporter of an average club, not owned by foreign billionaires. But maybe, in years to come, we will look back on this moment, as an important moment in the history of English football? Kathcairns and Ellafella 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 I doubt it. Regardless of what infrastructure is eventually put in place, the disparity between the top 6 and the rest , ignoring the disparity between the top and bottom of the rest, just makes it an absolute minefield for everyone because not only does it make it impossible for 'one size fits all' policy not work, but it does exactly the opposite. It's no doubt going to be predicated on a heavy handout culture that will be met with a lot of backlash and billionaires hiring an army of the best humans to ever practice law to protect their best interest. Truly the only outcome that involves in significant payouts from the Premier League to the Football League involves a closed shop Premier League so that the clubs who will have to pony up the money can be safe in the knowledge they will be able to live on the financial gravy train. Ellafella and Grumpy Git 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Ambitious said: ... billionaires hiring an army of the best humans to ever practice law to protect their best interest. Sad to say, but as we saw from Wycombe’s antics the most effective lawyers are often the worst humans RadioactiveWaste, Ellafella, jimtastic56 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 The Premier League is the child of Thatcherism applied to football and no amount of White Paper will be sufficient to wipe away the schyte that pours forth. Football sold its soul to the devil and there ain’t no deliverance from that. Ram-Alf, Vimto Enjoyer, Alph and 8 others 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 38 minutes ago, Ellafella said: The Premier League is the child of Thatcherism applied to football and no amount of White Paper will be sufficient to wipe away the schyte that pours forth. Football sold its soul to the devil and there ain’t no deliverance from that. This. Greed will prevail. Ellafella 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 9 hours ago, ram59 said: Well, it appears at long last the Football White Paper is finally going to be published. It remains to be seen whether or not it will make much difference to us, the average supporter of an average club, not owned by foreign billionaires. But maybe, in years to come, we will look back on this moment, as an important moment in the history of English football? The Crouch review had all party support. I would hope this would be embraced by a ( most likely) Labour government too… particularly a fairer distribution of Tv monies across the Leagues and an independent regulator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Worthless unless it 1. Replaces the EFL with a competent organisation 2. Limits big clubs from collecting young players from lower leagues and then loaning them out 3. Stops rewarding relegated teams from PL with parachute payments, so they can spend big and bounce right back 4. Gets rich clubs to share the TV profits with lower league teams and grass roots football (and not by taking players at knock down prices) David Graham Brown and Kathcairns 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavesaRam Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Ellafella said: The Premier League is the child of Thatcherism applied to football and no amount of White Paper will be sufficient to wipe away the schyte that pours forth. Football sold its soul to the devil and there ain’t no deliverance from that. ?, ? and thrice ?! Ellafella 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott129 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) Genuinely astounded that a so-called Derby fan has somehow reached this opinion. Edited February 23, 2023 by Scott129 Jubbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 For a bit of balance, here is a thread regarding the proposals from the Football Supporters' Association. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Just read this from the Government White Paper about the spread of finance in the top tiers of football and let it sink in.... However, the current distribution of revenues is considered by many to be insufficient and, as a result, is contributing to the problems of financial unsustainability: ● The majority (c.83%) of revenue earned by clubs in the top four divisions now sits within the Premier League, while League Two clubs account for just 1.5%. By comparison, in 1993 the Premier League’s share of revenue was 57%. ● The gap between the collective revenues of Premier League clubs and of Championship clubs exceeded £4 billion in 2020/21. The average revenue of a Premier League club (£243 million) was approximately eight times that of a Championship club (£25 million). There was also a wide gap between Championship (£25 million) and League One (£7.2 million) clubs. ● There is a large revenue ‘cliff edge’ between the bottom of the Premier League (c. £120 million) and the top of the Championship (£70 million). This ‘cliff edge’ is even greater for clubs that do not receive parachute payments. David Graham Brown and Ellafella 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 At least someone thinks all's well ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64743409 angieram and David Graham Brown 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyBritishMidland Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, angieram said: Just read this from the Government White Paper about the spread of finance in the top tiers of football and let it sink in.... However, the current distribution of revenues is considered by many to be insufficient and, as a result, is contributing to the problems of financial unsustainability: ● The majority (c.83%) of revenue earned by clubs in the top four divisions now sits within the Premier League, while League Two clubs account for just 1.5%. By comparison, in 1993 the Premier League’s share of revenue was 57%. ● The gap between the collective revenues of Premier League clubs and of Championship clubs exceeded £4 billion in 2020/21. The average revenue of a Premier League club (£243 million) was approximately eight times that of a Championship club (£25 million). There was also a wide gap between Championship (£25 million) and League One (£7.2 million) clubs. ● There is a large revenue ‘cliff edge’ between the bottom of the Premier League (c. £120 million) and the top of the Championship (£70 million). This ‘cliff edge’ is even greater for clubs that do not receive parachute payments. Not sure emoji I want to give that. A like for sharing or a crying face for what it means. It sums up everything that’s wrong with football. A frightening statistic in the DET article (OK, it’s the DET) but there have been 64 instances of a club entering administration since the PL was formed. That’s 2 per season!! Because everyone is chasing a dream or survival. And David Gold - chairman of a PL club - reckons everything is OK!! I find it all quite upsetting what’s happened to our game. angieram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, FlyBritishMidland said: Not sure emoji I want to give that. A like for sharing or a crying face for what it means. It sums up everything that’s wrong with football. A frightening statistic in the DET article (OK, it’s the DET) but there have been 64 instances of a club entering administration since the PL was formed. That’s 2 per season!! Because everyone is chasing a dream or survival. And David Gold - chairman of a PL club - reckons everything is OK!! I find it all quite upsetting what’s happened to our game. Was it at a local rate. David Graham Brown and FlyBritishMidland 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyBritishMidland Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 28 minutes ago, The Last Post said: Was it at a local rate. I meant his mate, David Sullivan. 50/50 chance of being right ? Ram-Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Spalding Ram Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 The Times have a rather good article written by Cheif Sports Writer Martyn’s Ziegler that goes through a list of what was in Tracey Crouch’s fan led review and what has been dropped from the White paper. no action on rule breaches around Financial Fair Play, nothing on parachute payments nothing on illegal approaches for players nothing on breaches of gambling rules. no limits on wages or transfer spending. Agents will not be regulated by new body No transfer levy to support the pyramid and grassroots football no “shadow board” ………bit more tv money from the premier league pot, but it seems business as usual up at the EFL. Ram-Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Maybe just a Rock Hammer... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64750636 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Old Spalding Ram said: The Times have a rather good article written by Cheif Sports Writer Martyn’s Ziegler that goes through a list of what was in Tracey Crouch’s fan led review and what has been dropped from the White paper. no action on rule breaches around Financial Fair Play, nothing on parachute payments nothing on illegal approaches for players nothing on breaches of gambling rules. no limits on wages or transfer spending. Agents will not be regulated by new body No transfer levy to support the pyramid and grassroots football no “shadow board” ………bit more tv money from the premier league pot, but it seems business as usual up at the EFL. Some of that is mentioned as being possible under the independent regulator, but it isn’t mandated at this point. It's just the beginning of the process. For example, if a Club is acting unsustainably, the Regulator may choose to limit transfer spending. Also, it says Shadow Boards are a likely outcome for many Clubs but that other Clubs might already have alternative arrangements in place that are sufficient. Parachute payments will be part of the dialogue between the Premier League and EFL about ensuring more money filters down the system. If they can't agree then the Regulator will step in. Some of the other things you mention are already regulated. Whether they are currently regulated well is another question, but one would suspect both the EFL and PL will be aware of the increased scrutiny they will be under and act accordingly. The most important thing for me is that the Regulator will be independent of the EFL and PL, because it is obvious there is far too much self-interest in both those bodies to allow them to continue to regulate themselves. David Graham Brown and sage 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew3000 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 I'm torn. On the one hand, I want independent regulation to correct the power imbalances. However, if you've ever had to deal with a governmental regulatory body, you'll know that it's a kafkaesque shitstorm of incompetence, and beaureacratic insanity. Oh well, f*** the Efl. Ram-Alf, Old Spalding Ram and Ellafella 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vimto Enjoyer Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 7 hours ago, Scott129 said: Genuinely astounded that a so-called Derby fan has somehow reached this opinion. 13 hours ago, Ellafella said: The Premier League is the child of Thatcherism ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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