Ilkestonian Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 48 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: Well have seen accidents from people sitting from sitting down to standing up and then lose there balance going about 10 seats down and them needs amberlance staff. Were standing your already up and and able to move around a lot easier. Absolute crap Ram@Lincoln, i-Ram, Rambervalley and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Mucker1884 said: We should go back to the days of clambering up to sit in the rafters, a la Carrow Rd on relegation day, May 1980. Great view, bothering nobody... but that vandal grease never did come out! ? I woke up covered in that after a night out about 30 years ago. Not a clue ????? I can vaguely remember attempting to take a shortcut home through the middle of Pentagon Island and by the time I got to the centre the vegetation was about 7 ft high and like a bog. Took about an hour to find my way out. Then the vandal paint. Not a great end to the evening. ? Steve How Hard?, SKRam and Mucker1884 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said: I’m waiting for the day football stadiums introduce first class sections of the ground so I can lie down and perhaps even have a 15 minute snooze in between halves. Bet they've got that at Man City and Spurs somewhere. Probably a masseuse with complimentary whale music and lava lamps to reduce the stress when a goals conceded as an optional extra. SKRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 41 minutes ago, Ilkestonian said: Absolute crap Not through because seen it happen But I guess going agree to disagree on this one. Look if made to sit I will but does mean I have to like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: Not through because seen it happen But I guess going agree to disagree on this one. Look if made to sit I will but does mean I have to like it. Did you use to let people stand up at the cinema, or sit on the back of chairs? Rambervalley, Ram@Lincoln, Simmo’s left foot and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will the Ram Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 I’m a wheelchair user and have to miss some away matches because I know that I won’t see some or all of the pitch because I know fans will be standing in the area in front of me (due to inadequate facilities that the clubs’ know they have but often won’t do anything about unless forced to). If I or the person I’m with asks others to sit we are usually given verbal abuse (even though we’re all there for the same reason, to watch & support Derby). Standing in seated areas IS selfish (and sometimes arrogance). @B4ev6is please think of others that cannot or don’t want to stand (or be forced to stand because everyone else is). I also don’t understand the notion that the atmosphere is only better because people stand. As someone who likes to chant etc. I can tell you that it can still be enjoyable sitting down. Simmo’s left foot, Ilkestonian, Ram@Lincoln and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, B4ev6is said: Well have seen accidents from people sitting from sitting down to standing up and then lose there balance going about 10 seats down and them needs amberlance staff. Were standing your already up and and able to move around a lot easier. Happy to be proved wrong, but I'd imagine physics would prove that by merely standing up and losing one's balance, it would be nigh on impossible for a human to go tumbling a further 10 rows of seats, without additional intervention. And I'd include inebriated humans in that... although they may manage to tumble 3 or 4 rows! It would be much easier to manage nearer to 10 rows if one starts from a standing position, and is encouraged to tumble by a group of others, that are willing to experiment with various forms of pushing and collision techniques. The odd individual that has gone tumbling down rows of seats is usually down to intoxication, and/or due to standing in a seated area. I'm not aware of anyone going tumbling down the seats from a seated position. I'm not, however, claiming that that has never happened. Many people have been killed and/or injured falling down terraces (standing). I'd wager a fair few on here have personally experienced the phenomenon of being moved down 10 steps of concrete terracing, without their feet touching the floor. I doubt any of them have had similar experience when sat in the seats. "Safe standing" is deliberately and consciously designed in such a way that the seats are locked away, purely to negate the possibility of falling when standing amongst "Flip-down" seats. I'm a big fan of @i-Ram's analogy with cinema seating. So much so, I gave him a "like", which is not something I am likely to make a habit of! ? Edited December 14, 2022 by Mucker1884 Ilkestonian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 10 hours ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said: I’m waiting for the day football stadiums introduce first class sections of the ground so I can lie down and perhaps even have a 15 minute snooze in between halves. We tried that a few years back. I recall nodding off quite a few times. Must have been around the time Young Nigel was in charge? I'll Google it, see if it jogs my memory. ? JJs dms and Bald Eagle's Barmy Army 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram@Lincoln Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 12 hours ago, B4ev6is said: Well like at torquay untied was man of the forum he mentioned to my dad he wanted to sit down to bad back having a op for it two lads behind me in 2os sat down I thought was strange but I sat down lucky no one tall in front of me or beside me as my sat next to me. So you had a choice of standing on the terrace behind the goal, or sitting in the seated stand...yet are moaning about not being able to stand in the seated stand. Life unfortunately doesn't revolve around you and every one of your exact demands. If you want to stand, buy tickets in the designated standing section. If you don't, you can't moan about not being able to stand. Ilkestonian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Come on now people... enough! How about we just compromise, eh? Those that prefer to sit can sit in their seats. Those that prefer to stand can stand in the aisles, to avoid tumbling over those dangerous seats. Gotta be worth a try? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Any tumbling down 10 rows after standing up is only due to one thing. Too much alcohol! #siddarn Mucker1884 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKRam Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Bolton sold out, first game of the season for me, current debate means I’ll have to be prepared to sit down and stand up in one match, that’s a lot of exercise after pre game ale. SKHunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmo’s left foot Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 (edited) I was thinking of going to Bolton with my dad (He certainly cant stand up all match) however Given the issue of everybody standing that's two people who wont be able to attend. Thanks for that ☹️ Edited December 14, 2022 by Simmo’s left foot SKRam and Ilkestonian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier ram Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 12 hours ago, Ilkestonian said: Absolute crap just read your reply with a mouthful of coffee hintonsboots 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 12 hours ago, B4ev6is said: Look if made to sit I will but does mean I have to like it. That’s how dogs feel at crufts. Boycie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wistaston Ram Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Simmo’s left foot said: I was thinking of going to Bolton with my dad (He certainly cant stand up all match) however Given the issue of everybody standing that's two people who wont be able to attend. Thanks for that ☹️ One way would be if you can get front row tickets on the upper tier (or lower tier if you are not bothered about being at ground level). I managed this at MK, though there were still people standing in this row! It is a big problem and although I don't mind standing when on my own, there is no way I can take my dad or wife to away games unless we go in the home end, which I have done on a couple of occasions. SKRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmo’s left foot Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, Wistaston Ram said: One way would be if you can get front row tickets on the upper tier (or lower tier if you are not bothered about being at ground level). I managed this at MK, though there were still people standing in this row! It is a big problem and although I don't mind standing when on my own, there is no way I can take my dad or wife to away games unless we go in the home end, which I have done on a couple of occasions. Absolutely, and then there might well be other people sat in the seat you have reserved for yourself. Its really not fair, and football needs to sort this out. I'm all for a safe standing area at grounds, but standing in seated areas is unsafe and not fair on people who cannot stand. Its actually bullying and its keeping people away. archram, SKRam, Wistaston Ram and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 7 hours ago, Mucker1884 said: Happy to be proved wrong, but I'd imagine physics would prove that by merely standing up and losing one's balance, it would be nigh on impossible for a human to go tumbling a further 10 rows of seats, without additional intervention. And I'd include inebriated humans in that... although they may manage to tumble 3 or 4 rows! It would be much easier to manage nearer to 10 rows if one starts from a standing position, and is encouraged to tumble by a group of others, that are willing to experiment with various forms of pushing and collision techniques. The odd individual that has gone tumbling down rows of seats is usually down to intoxication, and/or due to standing in a seated area. I'm not aware of anyone going tumbling down the seats from a seated position. I'm not, however, claiming that that has never happened. Many people have been killed and/or injured falling down terraces (standing). I'd wager a fair few on here have personally experienced the phenomenon of being moved down 10 steps of concrete terracing, without their feet touching the floor. I doubt any of them have had similar experience when sat in the seats. "Safe standing" is deliberately and consciously designed in such a way that the seats are locked away, purely to negate the possibility of falling when standing amongst "Flip-down" seats. I'm a big fan of @i-Ram's analogy with cinema seating. So much so, I gave him a "like", which is not something I am likely to make a habit of! ? Well I have seen it happen but I know sounds odd but I have seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilkestonian Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Premier ram said: just read your reply with a mouthful of coffee Sorry ? Premier ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 36 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: Well I have seen it happen but I know sounds odd but I have seen it. They were drunk mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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