Seaside Ram Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said: An appropriate response to a rather ludicrous statement. I have just watched the goals again just to make sure my memory served me right. As for the first goal and the 1 v 1 with Wiemann….explain to a simpleton like me what he did wrong there ? First 2 goals .... Just didn't do much to prevent them but 3rd one was just a shocker which Kelle would have saved easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Seaside Ram said: First 2 goals .... Just didn't do much to prevent them but 3rd one was just a shocker which Kelle would have saved easily. Didn’t do much to prevent them ? I will just stick with rubbish…… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Ram Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said: Didn’t do much to prevent them ? I will just stick with rubbish…… How about giving us your expert view on the 3rd then ? ( Which was the one I was debating earlier with someone else) Edited April 25, 2022 by Seaside Ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Seaside Ram said: First 2 goals .... Just didn't do much to prevent them but 3rd one was just a shocker which Kelle would have saved easily. https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2022/04/highlights-derby-county-vs-bristol-city-23rd-april-2022 What on earth could he do about the 1st or the 2nd? Free shots on goal. Do you think keepers ought to save all penalties? And the 3rd? I can only think you're on the wind up. Jimbo Ram and Crewton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Ram Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2022/04/highlights-derby-county-vs-bristol-city-23rd-april-2022 What on earth could he do about the 1st or the 2nd? Free shots on goal. Do you think keepers ought to save all penalties? And the 3rd? I can only think you're on the wind up. The 3rd was a howler ,which Roos would have saved but we all know that doesn't suit your agenda against him RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Seaside Ram said: The 3rd was a howler ,which Roos would have saved but we all know that doesn't suit your agenda against him Rubbish ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Roos is the better shot stopper, but Allsop is a far better keeper overall. He also fits Rooney's style. If Ryan can improve his shot stopping, he'll be the best keeper in Championship...which will, of course, mean he won't be with us. Kathcairns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, Seaside Ram said: The 3rd was a howler ,which Roos would have saved but we all know that doesn't suit your agenda against him Yeah okay. I'm not that bored that I can be bothered to argue. ? Seaside Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubbs Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 47 minutes ago, VulcanRam said: to say he isn't a good shot stopper is rubbish He's the 5th worst shot stopper in the league of keepers who have played over 50% of games. He's prevented -2.7 goals, essentially meaning he's let in more goals than the average keeper would if they faced the same shots. Roos has prevented 1.4 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubbs Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 31 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: What on earth could he do about the 1st or the 2nd? Free shots on goal. Do you think keepers ought to save all penalties? And the 3rd? I can only think you're on the wind up. He should've saved both the 2nd and the 3rd. There's no way he should be getting beat by Semenyo's shot and he pulls out of the Klose header? Lets be honest here, how many people on here and on twitter would be criticising Roos if he conceded the same goals? Seaside Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambalin Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Really is a pointless argument the manager and the goal keeping coach who see them everyday believe that Allsopp currently is the better keeper. For the record I believe Allsopp is slightly the better keeper and cruicially for the defence a better communicator. Kathcairns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jubbs said: He's the 5th worst shot stopper in the league of keepers who have played over 50% of games. He's prevented -2.7 goals, essentially meaning he's let in more goals than the average keeper would if they faced the same shots. Roos has prevented 1.4 goals. How do you know? Has the average keeper faced exactly the same shots? I do find some of these stats a nonsense. Crewton, Kathcairns and Rammy03 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Yep Roos would have saved the 3rd goal Tamworthram, Ramarena, Jackal and 5 others 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Ram Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said: https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2022/04/highlights-derby-county-vs-bristol-city-23rd-april-2022 What on earth could he do about the 1st or the 2nd? Free shots on goal. Do you think keepers ought to save all penalties? And the 3rd? I can only think you're on the wind up. I'm not that bored I will continue to engage with your drivel RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubbs Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 25 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: How do you know? Has the average keeper faced exactly the same shots? I do find some of these stats a nonsense. They collect hundreds of thousands of shot data, see what was saved and what wasn't. Work it from that. xG, xA, xT etc stats are brilliant and are so much better stats that just shots and possession that people are used to. It's modern and is far more representative of game state than simple possession and shot stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Completely baffled that this is even a question. Gaspode 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I'll just have Poom back. Bet he's still better than both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jubbs said: They collect hundreds of thousands of shot data, see what was saved and what wasn't. Work it from that. xG, xA, xT etc stats are brilliant and are so much better stats that just shots and possession that people are used to. It's modern and is far more representative of game state than simple possession and shot stats. No stats (no matter how 'brilliant' they are) can with any acceptable degree of certainty tell you whether or not keeper A would have saved the shots which keeper B didn't. Would Allsop have saved McGinns' goal at Wembley - in my opinion, probably but we will never know. I preferred seeing Roos on the team sheet rather than Hamer but prefer Allsop being first choice keeper than Roos. Rammy03 and Kathcairns 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 40 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said: Yep Roos would have saved the 3rd goal Was the Paul Ince's football academy worth every penny? Looks impressive. Rammy03 and Ram-Alf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I wouldn't use Saturday's game as a stick with which to beat Allsop, or to claim that Roos is the better keeper (because I think that argument has been settled in the minds of a majority of fans), but after looking at the highlights again, I agree that his efforts to save the 2nd and 3rd goals looked a bit limp - the direction of both shots weren't far from his standing position and he either misread them or didn't react quickly enough. But neither attempts were "howlers" and he also made a couple of good saves to prevent further goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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