Allsop v Roos

[Ghost of Clough]

23 minutes ago, Jubbs said:

Where have you seen this? Sorry should've made it clear I was looking at https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/instatindex/ 

Interesting to see Nathan Baxter (Hull) rank so high. Looking at their results with an without him... he made a massive difference.

1.69 PPG with, 0.8 PPG without!

[Jubbs]

Bringing this topic back to play a game of guess who:

 

[Ambitious]

8 minutes ago, Jubbs said:

Bringing this topic back to play a game of guess who:

 

I’m going to say the bottom one is Allsop?

[Jubbs]

Just now, Ambitious said:

I’m going to say the bottom one is Allsop?

Nope! Roos is the one with most metrics over the 50th percentile.

[RoyMac5]

1 minute ago, Jubbs said:

Nope! Roos is the one with most metrics over the 50th percentile.

Allsop is the better keeper. ?

[Tyler Durden]

20 minutes ago, Jubbs said:

Nope! Roos is the one with most metrics over the 50th percentile.

You seriously telling me that Roos has a better pass accuracy than Allsop

[Jubbs]

6 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

You seriously telling me that Roos has a better pass accuracy than Allsop

As shown by the stats, yes.

[RoyMac5]

Just now, Jubbs said:

As shown by the stats, yes.

Counted by a one-eyed statistician? ?

[kevinhectoring]

18 hours ago, Ambitious said:

I’m going to say the bottom one is Allsop?

 

18 hours ago, Jubbs said:

Nope! Roos is the one with most metrics over the 50th percentile.

Presumably a higher % is better, on every measure? So weirdly Roos has a much better XG% but Allsop a much better goals conceded % ? Maybe that suggests Allsop works better with his defence ? 

They are very different keepers. One aspect not measured (except maybe by goals conceded) is how well they attack crosses. That’s also a big one and I think Allsop’s judgement and execution is much the better. 

[Jubbs]

20 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

Presumably a higher % is better, on every measure? So weirdly Roos has a much better XG% but Allsop a much better goals conceded % ? Maybe that suggests Allsop works better with his defence ? 

Yeah higher % the better. Essentially, although Allsop has conceded less per game, Roos faces more shots/harder shots per game. 

 

20 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

One aspect not measured (except maybe by goals conceded) is how well they attack crosses.

Measured by exits p90, which Roos is over the 90th percentile for exits p90 and aerial duels, on the flipslide, Allsop is quite low. Execution of these I don't know, but I think an exit is only counted if successful. 

[kevinhectoring]

20 minutes ago, Jubbs said:

Measured by exits p90, which Roos is over the 90th percentile for exits p90 and aerial duels, on the flipslide, Allsop is quite low. Execution of these I don't know, but I think an exit is only counted if successful. 

Hard to measure though - often you think, the keeper should have gone for that. And if he doesn’t, and the header is in the bottom corner, it doesn’t affect the xg %

I think Roos is decent in aerial challenges but don’t think he chooses well which ones to go for 

[Jubbs]

12 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

Hard to measure though - often you think, the keeper should have gone for that

Yeah deffo hard to measure and the detailed stats aren't easily accessible. Does Roos face more crosses therefore has better exits/aerial duels? I don't know, but what a few opposition fans have seen is that on the surface, Roos is statistically one of the best keepers in the championship.

Edited May 31, 2022 by Jubbs

[Premier ram]

To be honest i wouldnt mind either of them as Derbys number one next season, both decent keepers , both prone to the odd mistake

[Dimmu]

On 31/05/2022 at 18:58, Premier ram said:

To be honest i wouldnt mind either of them as Derbys number one next season, both decent keepers , both prone to the odd mistake

Agreed. Comparing them is bit like comparing Buchanan and Forsyth. They play same position but have so different playing styles that comparing is hard if not impossible. 

I wish one of them stays. If we played in Premier League, I'd take Roos due his excellent shot stopping skills. But in League One we should be favourite in most games so Alsop higher concentration and ball-playing skill gets a nod from me.