Ellafella Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said: Not if it relegates us it doesn't! Absolutely & that’s what that rogue up in the North-east wants. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBW Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, jono said: All possibly true but you completely ignore the EFL’s agenda which is being driven by interests that are partisan, not equitable and not in accordance with any standards of fair play, law and logic. The EFL as the governing body should have said long ago that the Boro and Wycombe claims have no validity because we the EFL make the laws, make the judgments and dispense the sanctions. Which we have done. Boro and Wycombe have in effect undermined the EFL. Except they have been encouraged to do so. Bent as 9 shilling notes. I'm not sure they can act so subjectively. We all have one view on it, that has been aided by Q's version of events. We're now seeing Rick Parry's comments, of course his are from his angle too. But if there is a process it has to be followed objectively, Parry's comments suggest that. So it leaves an alternative angle of thinking. I'm not saying that they are acting with total impartiality, it feels like anything that can be used against the club, is. I think the comments of them acting unlawfully, based off Q's comments are possibly misguided though. I am an objective and pragmatic person, so I try to view things through neutral eyes, as it best places my judgement, that's all. europia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, StaffsRam said: I don’t challenge the sense of the Shinnie move. Makes sense to me, on the assumption that they’re reducing the wage bill to reduce the funds needing to be proved to see out the season. Shinnie’s a fringe player, and with Bielik being near enough back and Shinnie being out of contract in the summer, yeah, fine I guess. That being said, it’s bad that we’re not being talked to re “the plan”, worse still that Wayne’s being kept ignorant to it. Its disgusting that Admin only told him the offer was accepted - not had the class to phone him before. Its Rooney in front of the players trying to be honest with them while getting them up to win football matches. Its was Admin that gave him the green light to prepare to sign players then drop the bombshell of Jags etc. while he was preparing for the game. RoyMac5 and StaffsRam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 56 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said: What about a raffle for a signed shirt? Virtual ticket sales? Sponsor a seat/brick in the wall/blade of grass? if it has to be a commercial transaction bringing money into the club there must be options to do this?! Sponsor a brick through Gibsons windows would be a highly popular money spinner I reckon. RamontheMoor and Caerphilly Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Eatonram said: Must admit I can’t believe there has been no attempt in any way to get supporters to help financially. I feel sure tens of thousands are going missing every week. Just ask supporters to set up a direct debit for the next 6 months. I would do it in a flash. Just do it every thing helps. After the recent departures (Baldock, Marshall, Jagielka and Shinnie), I believe we're about £5.5m short. This accounts for £2m and a bit for the upcoming Jozwiak installment and the expected gate receipts. Frustratingly, 20k fans buying a ST for next season at £300 would cover the shortfall. Given the circumstances, I see this as being a realistc target. Unfortunately, we're unable to offer STs out. So more player sales it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 16, 2022 Author Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, Ghost of Clough said: Frustratingly, 20k fans buying a ST for next season at £300 would cover the shortfall. Given the circumstances, I see this as being a realistc target. Unfortunately, we're unable to offer STs out. So more player sales it is... Why can't we offer STs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 When we were blackmailed into taking the extra 9 points. Quantum’s should have made it a full and final settlement of the matter europia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Tyler Durden said: I've read reports that the quid pro quo was that we still owe Wigan money. Could be true. Me too. Sad to see Shinnie go but with Bielik , Bird, Thompson, Knight and Morrison he wouldn't be a first teamer if we had no injuries. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, StrawHillRam said: When we were blackmailed into taking the extra 9 points. Quantum’s should have made it a full and final settlement of the matter I thought that was the deal. No more penalties to be applied that was how it was sold. And the 12 points to be fair. That was disputed too. Edited January 16, 2022 by PistoldPete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) which other football clubs have Quantuma administered? Do they have a successful track record of avoiding liquidation and avoiding asset stripping with sales that are below market value Edited January 16, 2022 by StrawHillRam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 14 minutes ago, StrawHillRam said: which other football clubs have Quantuma administered? Do they have a successful track record of avoiding liquidation and avoiding asset stripping with sales that are below market value oversaw Portsmouth's sale in 2010, but they were back in administration two years later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 16, 2022 Author Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, StrawHillRam said: oversaw Portsmouth's sale in 2010, but they were back in administration two years later Was that down to Q or to the way the EFL did things? Haven't they cracked down on ownership 'regs' since Bury went under? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshRam Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 57 minutes ago, SBW said: I'm not sure they can act so subjectively. We all have one view on it, that has been aided by Q's version of events. We're now seeing Rick Parry's comments, of course his are from his angle too. But if there is a process it has to be followed objectively, Parry's comments suggest that. So it leaves an alternative angle of thinking. I'm not saying that they are acting with total impartiality, it feels like anything that can be used against the club, is. I think the comments of them acting unlawfully, based off Q's comments are possibly misguided though. I am an objective and pragmatic person, so I try to view things through neutral eyes, as it best places my judgement, that's all. Is it possible to get a local law firm (Geldards?) to act in the interests of the club in pursuing legal challenges (pro-bono ideally, crowd-funded if not). For example, I think the EFL may have received public funding (to administer covid loans) which then potentially makes them subject to judicial review. Or, alternatively, is there a basis to challenge the EFL on behalf of one or more of the legitimate creditors whose interests are being undermined by the EFL's apparent desire to treat Middlesbrough and Wycombe on the same basis as creditors, when this is counter to my understanding of how administration process should be run. europia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Sorry it seems so long ago - did Mel appoint Q? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, CBRammette said: Sorry it seems so long ago - did Mel appoint Q? I sort of recall reading that somewhere. another great decision by him CBRammette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarterForTen Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Mel brought them in earlier to instigate a business review. Most likely their appointment as Administrator was led by MSD CBRammette and RoyMac5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, SBW said: I'm not sure they can act so subjectively. We all have one view on it, that has been aided by Q's version of events. We're now seeing Rick Parry's comments, of course his are from his angle too. But if there is a process it has to be followed objectively, Parry's comments suggest that. So it leaves an alternative angle of thinking. I'm not saying that they are acting with total impartiality, it feels like anything that can be used against the club, is. I think the comments of them acting unlawfully, based off Q's comments are possibly misguided though. I am an objective and pragmatic person, so I try to view things through neutral eyes, as it best places my judgement, that's all. So what is your view as to whether there is any advantage to be gained by Derby County creating a potential debtor by threatening a claim against QPR under the same pretence as Boro against us? Surely that would provide some security for the potential new owner? Either both succeed or both fail and our claim would be more positive as we were actually in the final. Rev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowplay Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I’m guessing with the players sold/not re-signed we have saved £800k - £1m on wages from now until the end of the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: So more player sales it is... these need to be avoided and this should be possible. If Ashley doesn't make a breakthrough with Gibson, and if MSD are max-ed out, then MM needs to step up to the plate with funds. This could be the difference between relegation and survival Edited January 16, 2022 by kevinhectoring Ghost of Clough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 28 minutes ago, CBRammette said: Sorry it seems so long ago - did Mel appoint Q? No..think it was MI6? EtoileSportiveDeDerby and CBRammette 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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