RAM1966 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) We've had a tough couple of years and the downwards spiral continues. The breaking news today that a Preferred bidder would not be announced this side of Xmas, which essential means not until at least the second week in January as there are obviously still negotiations going on and Xmas holidays where sod all will be achieved. The major risks to a deal are in my view: HMRC - I think the best deal we can hope for is a very long extended time to pay, I doubt they will reduce the debt, a long pay back period is the best we can hope for. Mel Morris - A man that was deceitful to the fans, ran up huge debts and has walked away with an £81.1M asset in his back pocket with a £20m loan secured against it. Lets also not forget his £124M in soft loans to the cub. I think he should personally throw the stadium into the deal providing the MSD debts are cleared. My understanding is he wants a payment, if not why has he not put in writing that the ground can be included in any sale providing that MSD has been paid off. After all he caused this mess!!!!!! The unsecured creditors - I pretty much see they will accept the 20p in the £. So this does not concern me too much. Boro & Wycombe - Owned by a pair of chancers and opportunists that are trying to make million's out of our club, or maybe even trying so seen it go under all together because the £51M combine claims are a risk. I don't think they have a cat in hells chance winning legally, but in this strange Football Bubble we live in who would think that the EFL could sign off our accounts and agree our amortisation policies, only to go back several years and punish us retrospectively after changing the rules. Covid - The threat of crowds being reduced due to passports and lockdowns is also a risk to the club, as it will reduce revenues. When you throw all these moving parts in together, is it any wonder the fans are anxious. I'm going to make a prediction now and its one where there is a fire sale in January, the administrators will then try to value the club at the same price as they did at the start of this process only to find out they've fooked the sale up. Liquidation is looking more and more like the most likely outcome for me!!!! So who thinks we will survive an why? Who thinks we will be liquidated and why? Edited December 23, 2021 by Boycie jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Put a poll up please. I think we'll survive by the skin of our teeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Brolly Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, GenBr said: Put a poll up please. I think we'll survive by the skin of our teeth bimmerman, EtoileSportiveDeDerby, jimtastic56 and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, RAM1966 said: We've had a tough couple of years and the downwards spiral continues. The breaking news today that a Preferred bidder would not be announced this side of Xmas, which essential means not until at least the second week in January as there are obviously still negotiations going on and Xmas holidays where sod all will be achieved. The major risks to a deal are in my view: HMRC - I think the best deal we can hope for is a very long extended time to pay, I doubt they will reduce the debt, a long pay back period is the best we can hope for. Mel Morris - A man that was deceitful to the fans, ran up huge debts and has walked away with an £81.1M asset in his back pocket with a £20m loan secured against it. Lets also not forget his £124M in soft loans to the cub. I think he should personally throw the stadium into the deal providing the MSD debts are cleared. My understanding is he wants a payment, if not why has he not put in writing that the ground can be included in any sale providing that MSD has been paid off. After all he caused this mess!!!!!! The unsecured creditors - I pretty much see they will accept the 20p in the £. So this does not concern me too much. Boro & Wycombe - Owned by a pair of chancers and opportunists that are trying to make million's out of our club, or maybe even trying so seen it go under all together because the £51M combine claims are a risk. I don't think they have a cat in hells chance winning legally, but in this strange Football Bubble we live in who would think that the EFL could sign off our accounts and agree our amortisation policies, only to go back several years and punish us retrospectively after changing the rules. Covid - The threat of crowds being reduced due to passports and lockdowns is also a risk to the club, as it will reduce revenues. When you throw all these moving parts in together, is it any wonder the fans are anxious. I'm going to make a prediction now and its one where there is a fire sale in January, the administrators will then try to value the club at the same price as they did at the start of this process only to find out they've fooked the sale up. Liquidation is looking more and more like the most likely outcome for me!!!! So who thinks we will survive an why? Who thinks we will be liquidated and why? Kirchner reckons that Mel has defaulted on the loan, so the stadium is now owned by MSD. The unsecured creditors have to get 25% or we get a hefty points deduction next season. jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Duck it Its Christmas I’m pissed ill support Derby against the dog and duck evrn if I’m playing for the dog and dukc im an Exocet at an own goal jimtastic56, Big Al, Sheff Ram and 1 other 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bimmerman Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 ducking love a good poll Last one I saw was called Kamila RAM1966 and jimtastic56 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAM1966 Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 2 hours ago, CornwallRam said: Kirchner reckons that Mel has defaulted on the loan, so the stadium is now owned by MSD. The unsecured creditors have to get 25% or we get a hefty points deduction next season. He's just announced he has bailed............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 We are sinking like the Titanic with Rick Waller as captain. jimtastic56 and REDCAR 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Still believe we'll be fine. Appleby will get the club. Anag Ram and RAM1966 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffieldram Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 With most takeovers the successful buyers are the ones who just go about their business under the radar and then the deal is announced. Kirchner was too vocal. Appleby is still the favourite in my book. No evidence just a gut feeling. RAM1966 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 I think we will survive as Derby County even if it’s in the Conference . The main thing is we still have a club jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthram Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 On 24/12/2021 at 09:17, Curtains said: I think we will survive as Derby County even if it’s in the Conference . The main thing is we still have a club Mickleover FC v Derby could be a sell out just being a pre-season friendly jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 I think Derby be allowed stay in the league I think we been punished enough now I think take over will happen and we shall come back stronger. To original poster stop being so bloody negative. hydraulic ram, jimtastic56 and Elgin_Ram 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 On 23/12/2021 at 21:09, RAM1966 said: We've had a tough couple of years and the downwards spiral continues. The breaking news today that a Preferred bidder would not be announced this side of Xmas, which essential means not until at least the second week in January as there are obviously still negotiations going on and Xmas holidays where sod all will be achieved. The major risks to a deal are in my view: HMRC - I think the best deal we can hope for is a very long extended time to pay, I doubt they will reduce the debt, a long pay back period is the best we can hope for. Mel Morris - A man that was deceitful to the fans, ran up huge debts and has walked away with an £81.1M asset in his back pocket with a £20m loan secured against it. Lets also not forget his £124M in soft loans to the cub. I think he should personally throw the stadium into the deal providing the MSD debts are cleared. My understanding is he wants a payment, if not why has he not put in writing that the ground can be included in any sale providing that MSD has been paid off. After all he caused this mess!!!!!! The unsecured creditors - I pretty much see they will accept the 20p in the £. So this does not concern me too much. Boro & Wycombe - Owned by a pair of chancers and opportunists that are trying to make million's out of our club, or maybe even trying so seen it go under all together because the £51M combine claims are a risk. I don't think they have a cat in hells chance winning legally, but in this strange Football Bubble we live in who would think that the EFL could sign off our accounts and agree our amortisation policies, only to go back several years and punish us retrospectively after changing the rules. Covid - The threat of crowds being reduced due to passports and lockdowns is also a risk to the club, as it will reduce revenues. When you throw all these moving parts in together, is it any wonder the fans are anxious. I'm going to make a prediction now and its one where there is a fire sale in January, the administrators will then try to value the club at the same price as they did at the start of this process only to find out they've fooked the sale up. Liquidation is looking more and more like the most likely outcome for me!!!! So who thinks we will survive an why? Who thinks we will be liquidated and why? Regarding HMRC, if the clubs want to extend the payments longer than 2 years then 35% has to be paid off at the beginning. jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 6 hours ago, atherstoneram said: Regarding HMRC, if the clubs want to extend the payments longer than 2 years then 35% has to be paid off at the beginning. Well we owe about 26m so I think 35 percent of that is about 12m of it I think if my maths is right in which sometimes is not. atherstoneram and kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oomarkwright Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 On 26/12/2021 at 01:02, B4ev6is said: Well we owe about 26m so I think 35 percent of that is about 12m of it I think if my maths is right in which sometimes is not. £9. 1M b4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 7 hours ago, oomarkwright said: £9. 1M b4. That for me that is pretty close. i-Ram, Foreveram, angieram and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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