EdinRam Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Heard this quite a bit in forums and WhatsApp groups, what category do we sit in? We haven't been a premier league side in years and I don't really see us as a big club, on a par with Preston I'd say. If I were to break down the championship I'd put clubs of size in thirds of pedigree Top third - Forest (I know) Boro Norwich Watford Blackburn Sheff wed Qpr Brum Middle third - Derby Preston Stoke Coventry Millwall Cardiff Swansea Reading Bottom third - Rotherham Bristol Luton Wycombe Barnsley Bournemouth Brentford Huddersfield Red_Dawn and S8TY 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramos Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Ah the age old big club argument. All depends what you base it on. In terms of success (recent success) there aren’t many if any big clubs in the championship based on that - Swansea and brum are the latest to actually bring home some silverware I’d believe. If you base it though on tradition, league titles, cup finals, European nights, fanbase, facilities, potential etc. I don’t think you can look past Derby, Forest and sheffield wednesday being the biggest three clubs in the championship. Anyhow at the end of the day football is about the team on the pitch that season not what’s gone before and no club is too big to go down if they have got it as wrong on the pitch as Derby has this season. MickD and taffyram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 A team is as big as its last result. By this yardstick we are a very small club indeed. Much too small to stay up I'd have to say. We need Steve McQueen's motorbike and even then he didn't make it! (We'll have a better idea after Luton play tonight!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinRam Posted May 4, 2021 Author Share Posted May 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ramos said: Ah the age old big club argument. All depends what you base it on. In terms of success (recent success) there aren’t many if any big clubs in the championship based on that - Swansea and brum are the latest to actually bring home some silverware I’d believe. If you base it though on tradition, league titles, cup finals, European nights, fanbase, facilities, potential etc. I don’t think you can look past Derby, Forest and sheffield wednesday being the biggest three clubs in the championship. Anyhow at the end of the day football is about the team on the pitch that season not what’s gone before and no club is too big to go down if they have got it as wrong on the pitch as Derby has this season. My list is more probably due to my age I was born in 1990 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 We currently remind me of Sunderland (arguably a similar/biggger club than us) when they fell through the leagues (except we have worse players than they did). At the time I really couldn't understand what was going on with them - they got relegated from the PL and just carried on downwards even though they kept a significant number of their better players. We played them towards the end of the season when they dropped down to League One and their players looked very similar to our current team - no fight, no bottle and a resigned look as if they knew they were heading down..... My gut feel is that Rotherham will pull together and get the results they need (they at least seem to be fighting) - leaving both us and another 'big club' in Shef Weds to spend some time in the 3rd tier..... taffyram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Other thing to remember, is the size of a club does change over time. It's also the case that the English league has a lot of similarly sized clubs historically of whom some have expanded, some have contracted, and others a bit up and down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 There are many ways of measuring “a big club” but I can’t think of any whereby I consider Birmingham and QPR to be bigger than us Stoke, Swansea and Cardiff but, none of us are too big to go down. Colm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinRam Posted May 4, 2021 Author Share Posted May 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, Gaspode said: We currently remind me of Sunderland (arguably a similar/biggger club than us) when they fell through the leagues (except we have worse players than they did). At the time I really couldn't understand what was going on with them - they got relegated from the PL and just carried on downwards even though they kept a significant number of their better players. We played them towards the end of the season when they dropped down to League One and their players looked very similar to our current team - no fight, no bottle and a resigned look as if they knew they were heading down..... My gut feel is that Rotherham will pull together and get the results they need (they at least seem to be fighting) - leaving both us and another 'big club' in Shef Weds to spend some time in the 3rd tier..... Didn't they beat us like 4-1 that game Ramos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, EdinRam said: Didn't they beat us like 4-1 that game Probably - I can't normally remember who we played last week, never mind what the score was.....I still think there are a lot of similarities between the clubs and their fans certainly thought they were too big to go down... Edited May 4, 2021 by Gaspode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 41 minutes ago, EdinRam said: Heard this quite a bit in forums and WhatsApp groups, what category do we sit in? We haven't been a premier league side in years and 42 minutes ago, EdinRam said: Heard this quite a bit in forums and WhatsApp groups, what category do we sit in? We haven't been a premier league side in years and I don't really see us as a big club, on a par with Preston I'd say. If I were to break down the championship I'd put clubs of size in thirds of pedigree Top third - Forest (I know) Boro Norwich Watford Blackburn Sheff wed Qpr Brum Middle third - Derby Preston Stoke Coventry Millwall Cardiff Swansea Reading Bottom third - Rotherham Bristol Luton Wycombe Barnsley Bournemouth Brentford Huddersfield If I were to break down the championship I'd put clubs of size in thirds of pedigree Top third - Forest (I know) Boro Norwich Watford Blackburn Sheff wed Qpr Brum Middle third - Derby Preston Stoke Coventry Millwall Cardiff Swansea Reading Bottom third - Rotherham Bristol Luton Wycombe Barnsley Bournemouth Brentford Huddersfield Jesus QPR, Watford, Boro. Big as Preston. That's the worst list I've ever seen. What were you doing when you put this together. Use the list to roll another one.? Red_Dawn, derbydaz22, ariotofmyown and 7 others 2 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Heck, next you'll be saying Manchester United, Citeh, Arsenal etc. are too big not to be in the top European competition, even if they don't qualify. WhiteHorseRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24Charlie Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 No one is too big to go down. But I would argue we are bigger club than you list states. Look at this https://drive.google.com/file/d/10_equ70Yq465jFwmG2wfubdD9Nqar_Tg/view for an all time historical league position. It has us 13th in the top league. I would say that was a fair opinion. Pearl Ram, WhiteHorseRam, Rammy03 and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteHorseRam Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Norwich and Watford should be top of the list for obvious reasons. BTW, congratulations for attracting God's attention with the title of this thread before Saturday ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Aye, I was going to post I thought we’d be in the top 20 clubs in the country. 24Charlie’s post above confirm my thoughts on that. But too big to go down ?...don’t kid yourself. I think if we stay up it’ll be due to a huge slice of luck rather than us earning it although I appreciate some might argue where you finish after 46 games is where you deserve to finish. WhiteHorseRam and Andicis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 I mean ''too big to go down'' is garbage, but that list is funny. Norwich, Watford, QPR and Birmingham aren't ''bigger'' clubs than Derby. Sheffield Wednesday are bigger than Boro and probably Forest too. It's a futile argument though. How can Huddersfield be smaller than Luton or Wycombe? Rammy03, Deej, derbydaz22 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 No clubs too big to go down, but we’re certainly a well followed team that has potential to be a lot bigger than we are with the right owners. Sure I read something a while ago that the amount of fans who follow the club per people living in the city we were one of the best supported city’s in the country? Patrick Rams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeedsCityRam Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 1 hour ago, EdinRam said: Heard this quite a bit in forums and WhatsApp groups, what category do we sit in? We haven't been a premier league side in years and I don't really see us as a big club, on a par with Preston I'd say. If I were to break down the championship I'd put clubs of size in thirds of pedigree Top third - Forest (I know) Boro Norwich Watford Blackburn Sheff wed Qpr Brum Middle third - Derby Preston Stoke Coventry Millwall Cardiff Swansea Reading Bottom third - Rotherham Bristol Luton Wycombe Barnsley Bournemouth Brentford Huddersfield ? Nice WUM mate. There's no sane Derby fan (or fan anywhere else) that would believe Derby are a smaller club than QPR, Watford or Blackburn. Not especially bothered how 'big' rival fans think we are - the facts are there in terms of our support & history but if you're going to troll, at least be subtle ? Patrick Rams, derbydaz22, Colm and 5 others 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 46 minutes ago, Gaspode said: We currently remind me of Sunderland <snip>. We played them towards the end of the season when they dropped down to League One and their players looked very similar to our current team - no fight, no bottle and a resigned look as if they knew they were heading down..... You mean when they won 4-1? I'd like to see us have as little fight as that on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 @Ghost of Clough - step forward, this thread is calling out for you :-). Bigger than Leicester, that was your view last time we discussed this wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 smaller than QPR, watford and blackburn? Give me a break, there is no way we're too big to go down but we're not smaller than half the teams you've listed. Andicis, Carnero, Colm and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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