maxjam Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: Where are you getting 150k+ people from? The BBC article said 80-100k unvaccinated in the NHS, so with medical exemptions and the edict only applying to frontline staff I imagine the number of people who felt sufficiently strongly about not taking the vaccine that they'd quit their job would actually be fairly small I read it was 100k NHS staff plus 60K care workers. According to this Sky article from a little earlier it is actually over 200k however - more if you include volunteers. 'Latest data shows that over 103,000 staff in the health service in England remained unvaccinated, as well as 105,000 domiciliary care workers.' https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-mandatory-jabs-will-be-introduced-for-nhs-englands-1-2-million-full-time-staff-from-april-sajid-javid-says-12464665 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: Where are you getting 150k+ people from? The BBC article said 80-100k unvaccinated in the NHS, so with medical exemptions and the edict only applying to frontline staff I imagine the number of people who felt sufficiently strongly about not taking the vaccine that they'd quit their job would actually be fairly small I may be wrong because I was only half listening but, I thought I heard on the radio today that when similar measures were introduced in France there was a big take up in the vaccines from such staff. If true, and I wasn’t dreaming, that would seem to support your assumption. Stive Pesley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, maxjam said: I read it was 100k NHS staff plus 60K care workers. According to this Sky article from a little earlier it is actually over 200k however - more if you include volunteers. 'Latest data shows that over 103,000 staff in the health service in England remained unvaccinated, as well as 105,000 domiciliary care workers.' https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-mandatory-jabs-will-be-introduced-for-nhs-englands-1-2-million-full-time-staff-from-april-sajid-javid-says-12464665 It still feels like the whole thing is being massively overstated for the sake of a news story ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Anyone still not got the jab yet that maybe in need of a, er, little more persuasion... 1of4, Anon and Stive Pesley 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, maxjam said: Anyone still not got the jab yet that maybe in need of a, er, little more persuasion... I'm safe from the cough, but now I have the clap. maxjam and Norman 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, maxjam said: Anyone still not got the jab yet that maybe in need of a, er, little more persuasion... All I got after having my booster jab was a kiss from the wife while wearing a mask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 16 hours ago, Stive Pesley said: and that it's actually quite rare for people working in health care to not actually care about health Purely anecdotal....but I have been on training days with health care workers and school nurses etc and it's struck me how many are heavily overweight and can't wait to get out for a fag break. Definitely felt proportionally higher than teachers, social workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 i-Ram and Stive Pesley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, maxjam said: Interesting stuff! Fingers crossed Funnily enough I have a friend who works in the NHS on the frontline and when they were testing for antibodies early in the first lockdown, he showed up as having them, despite the fact he had never had any covid symptoms at any point His wife got covid earlier in the year and so did his kids - he was essentially living in a house of covid and having to look after all of them - still didn't catch it. Now his elderly Dad has it and he's having to look after him too, yet still seems unable to catch it - we've been joking that he has some sort of super-immunity. Maybe he really does! therealhantsram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 24 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: Interesting stuff! Fingers crossed Funnily enough I have a friend who works in the NHS on the frontline and when they were testing for antibodies early in the first lockdown, he showed up as having them, despite the fact he had never had any covid symptoms at any point His wife got covid earlier in the year and so did his kids - he was essentially living in a house of covid and having to look after all of them - still didn't catch it. Now his elderly Dad has it and he's having to look after him too, yet still seems unable to catch it - we've been joking that he has some sort of super-immunity. Maybe he really does! More likely he's been infecting everyone around him, don't invite him round your house ? https://www.healthline.com/health-news/most-covid-19-cases-come-from-people-without-symptoms#How-much-symptomless-transmission-is-out-there? Chester40, Stive Pesley and i-Ram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, maxjam said: This would be an absolute disaster for society, and would lead to a 1000% increase in food poisoning. How else could you pull a sickie, if the common cold was eliminated? Stive Pesley, Norman and maxjam 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, maxjam said: This would be great news, if it means that all coronaviruses could be eradicated. I just wonder what BS reason people would come up with, as to why they wouldn't get vaccinated. ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, 1of4 said: This would be great news, if it means that all coronaviruses could be eradicated. I just wonder what BS reason people would come up with, as to why they wouldn't get vaccinated. Don’t think many would if it worked in stopping you catching and spreading it ,of course some would be happier to allow themselves to catch colds as a trade off to putting what they would see as an unnecessary vaccine into themselves for a virus that their immune system easily deals with, I don’t take painkillers unless it’s really necessary and will put up with a little bit of a headache which most of the time doing something simple like drinking enough water fixes ??♂️ would you be ok for people to choose not to have it as long as you having it stopped you catching it? Edited November 11, 2021 by Archied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 3 hours ago, maxjam said: That would be interesting - the common cold is a coronavirus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 4 hours ago, maxjam said: Talk of a vaccine and T cells ?? I've seen where this goes in Resident Evil Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, rynny said: Talk of a vaccine and T cells ?? I've seen where this goes in Resident Evil Haha, yeah the gamer nerd in me immediately thought of the Resident Evil series when I read it! rynny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Archied said: Don’t think many would if it worked in stopping you catching and spreading it ,of course some would be happier to allow themselves to catch colds as a trade off to putting what they would see as an unnecessary vaccine into themselves for a virus that their immune system easily deals with, I don’t take painkillers unless it’s really necessary and will put up with a little bit of a headache which most of the time doing something simple like drinking enough water fixes ??♂️ would you be ok for people to choose not to have it as long as you having it stopped you catching it? Would I be ok for people choosing not to be vaccinated. Short answer, no. Would you be ok with allowing a virus to remain at large in the world, that as the potential to be fatal. If there's a method of eliminating said virus for ever? Edited November 11, 2021 by 1of4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, 1of4 said: Would I be ok for people choosing not to be vaccinated. Short answer, no. Would you be ok with allowing a virus to remain at large in the world, that as the potential to be fatal. If there's a method of eliminating said virus for ever? As I said IF it worked there may come a time when there is a virus that is so deadly that I could agree with mandated vaccines/ medication but at this point with corona that kills minuscule percentage and an almost mandated vaccine thar doesn’t stop the catching and spreading of it alongside the capability to just about wipe out malaria and other killers in IN poor countries but no will to do so ( money talks ) ,,, yes I’m ok for people to choose Edited November 12, 2021 by Archied maxjam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 4 hours ago, Archied said: As I said IF it worked there may come a time when there is a virus that is so deadly that I could agree with mandated vaccines/ medication but at this point with corona that kills minuscule percentage and an almost mandated vaccine thar doesn’t stop the catching and spreading of it alongside the capability to just about wipe out malaria and other killers in IN poor countries but no will to do so ( money talks ) ,,, yes I’m ok for people to choose How miniscule is this percentage? All the figures I've read make it at somewhere around the 2% mark, which I think is far bigger than "miniscule". It causes lasting damage to a far bigger figure too. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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