minesahartington Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Andicis said: Hahahahah. Buchanan has played well, Knight has played well too. Sibley has had a few cameos and looked good in them, same as Whittaker. Bird has played very few minutes as well. Don't even dare scapegoat them. To be honest I thought the youngsters were the only ones trying. The experienced players were poor except Clark who tries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldstar Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, wollatonram said: it is fairly simple isnt it even the most ardent happy clapper realises that we need somebody proven that knows how to get out of a relegation battle, even if its a short term thing. use your brains new owners, if you dont i dread the future i really do Yep, now is not the time for potential rookies, we need results and we need them fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, CBRammette said: Yes but how has jozwiak gone from us thinking we've uncovered a diamond to tonight? May be pissed at something going on with beliek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyNutter Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, BIllyD said: Buchanan, knight, Sibley, Whittaker, Bird all played this season, they are not the sole issue no, but they aren't good enough along with the rest of the team. You're being silly here. These young players are good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 27 minutes ago, Andicis said: Rubbish. Didn't Alan Hansen say something similar? Not saying we have as talented youngsters as them, but they absolutely are good enough to do it in this league, and over a large period of time, too. Clearly not, were bottom. Without getting some experienced heads who care, reinstating Davies would be a start were stuffed. Those players should be having 4 or 5 matches then out when they start flagging unless they are exceptional players, they should be being used to supplement the team for 12-24 months not be it's mainstay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wollatonram Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Andicis said: It's absolutely scapegoating, because anyone who actually watches football and has a set of working eyes can see they've not been the problem. They've been our best players this season. they are the problem. little mistakes, little battles lost, doing the wrong thing at the wrong time of the match, they all come from experience . there is always teams that rely on young players that end up going down because they dont know the grind of the mens divisions and how brutal it can get, when you have to dig in. individually they may not seem so bad but collectively it hamstrings us it is mens football, so play men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleEatonRam Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Is the penny finally dropping for people that Lawrence is vastly overrated then? Because to me it's been abundantly clear for ages. Lots of hard work, looks the part with his body language and haircut, but zero end product. Constantly championed by our fanbase as being a quality player, but will be completely forgotten about once he's left the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Just now, Gee SCREAMER !! said: Clearly not, were bottom. Without getting some experienced heads who care, reinstating Davies would be a start were stuffed. Those players should be having 4 or 5 matches then out when they start flagging unless they are exceptional players, they should be being used to supplement the team for 12-24 months not be it's mainstay. We're bottom because of the experienced players. When a team is performing badly, it doesn't not make all individual players bad players. We're being sunk by the fact we have shocking ''experienced'' players dragging us down. Knight and Buchanan have been the two best players we've had this season, Sibley and Whittaker have barely had enough minutes to show anything and looked good with the chance, and the same goes for Bird. They do not need to supplement the team. They need to dominate the bloody team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, wollatonram said: it is mens football, so play men. Cliched garbage. I don't know why I'm even entertaining it with a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Just now, Andicis said: It's absolutely scapegoating, because anyone who actually watches football and has a set of working eyes can see they've not been the problem. They've been our best players this season. Maybe you should look at the definition of scapegoating. It doesn't matter if they have been our best players, which as I alluded to, in some games they have, some they haven't, they haven't been good enough and are as responsible for the league position we are in, as are the others that haven't performed this season. Sibley and Bird for me, are two players that I thought and still hope that have the potential to become really good players, on form they are players I really enjoy watching, but this season they haven't been good enough, is that because of the coaching they are receiving, confidence, their age or just not being good enough I don't know. You think they are fair enough, but scapegoating, no it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wollatonram Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Andicis said: Cliched garbage. I don't know why I'm even entertaining it with a response. its a cliche because its true. anybody that has played the game will tell you the value of experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, DerbyNutter said: You're being silly here. These young players are good enough. Based upon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 31 minutes ago, DerbyNutter said: No thanks to Eddie Howe. Ibe don't want to work with him again. If he ‘s ever fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, BIllyD said: Maybe you should look at the definition of scapegoating. It doesn't matter if they have been our best players, which as I alluded to, in some games they have, some they haven't, they haven't been good enough and are as responsible for the league position we are in, as are the others that haven't performed this season. Sibley and Bird for me, are two players that I thought and still hope that have the potential to become really good players, on form they are players I really enjoy watching, but this season they haven't been good enough, is that because of the coaching they are receiving, confidence, their age or just not being good enough I don't know. You think they are fair enough, but scapegoating, no it's not. It's scapegoating (I know the definition quite well, thanks for the concern) because you're trying to claim the performances of the young players are why we are where we are. And this is absolutely and unequivocally not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, wollatonram said: its a cliche because its true. anybody that has played the game will tell you the value of experience Ah yes robbie savage really helped that season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyNutter Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, BIllyD said: Based upon ? Seriously? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, Yani P said: People questioning whether Cocu should stay...we are where we are today because of his tenure..just hope this takeover happens soon and we get a new management team in place. no signs they will appoint a permanent manager any time soon. If we don't start winning, I think SM will take over for the season and then they'll look at it again in the summer. Not the best approach but could be a result of FFP and the 32red contracts Hey, we'll be ok this season and 21/22 will be a good time to be a rams fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustOneBiblicalKazim Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, wollatonram said: they are the problem. little mistakes, little battles lost, doing the wrong thing at the wrong time of the match, they all come from experience . there is always teams that rely on young players that end up going down because they dont know the grind of the mens divisions and how brutal it can get, when you have to dig in. individually they may not seem so bad but collectively it hamstrings us it is mens football, so play men. Yeah let’s play men Marshall Wisdom Te Wierik Davies Forsyth Waghorn Evans Shinnie Lawrence Rooney Kazim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyNutter Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Finch said: If he ‘s ever fit He is fit but it was illness that set back recently. You'll see him in first team action against Millwall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Just now, DerbyNutter said: Seriously? ? Well it's why I asked it, we have come against quite a few teams this season with their own youngsters, we have struggled to say the least. What makes you so confident these players are good enough and what are level are you benchmarking them against ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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