RamLad1884 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 What do we think? Cocu seems like his 4-2-3-1 moving into 5 at the back when defending. Surely yesterday shows exactly why we should play 4-3-3. Knight is outstanding as a number 8 in the middle and Bird/Bielik to fight for the DM role is a great choice. Sibley/Holmes/Shinnie to fight for the third spot. Couple that with our attacking fullbacks and wide forwards it seems like 4-3-3 is a no brainer. Ibe/Jozwiak/Lawrence and even Waghorn are not wide midfielders and just won't work in a three behind the striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard246 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 If Cocu wants to play Rooney then he has to play No 10 role. This is the only role in the team once injured players are back then he can have rests we would have so many options. The players we have we should be able to adapt to any situation the match and opposition requires. If Rooney plays then the only choice for me is 4-2-3-1 the 2 defensive midfielders have to be strong and loads of energy the run by Knight in the 86 minute was incredible who else could of done that he didn’t stop all game. This must be his position and i would prefer Bielik next to him. For me I think the Squad looks very good with 2 more in and a couple out ?? Up The Rams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Just had our best performance of the season playing 3-4-3 / 5-2-3. So why exactly would 4-3-3 be a no-brainer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 57 minutes ago, therealhantsram said: Just had our best performance of the season playing 3-4-3 / 5-2-3. We're not going to play like that every game though. Cocu isn't going to just abandon all his principles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Thought Cocu referred to it as a 5-4-1 in his post match interview. It’s getting Bassettesque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 4-3-3 every day of the week, given the style of football we play. Don’t get me wrong, 4-2-3-1 can be a very effective formation as well - if you’re a counter attacking side. It gives you that extra defensive shield to help withstand pressure from the opposition, and also gives you an extra man going forward to overload on the break. But to have success with that style, you really need to be extremely resolute at the back, as well as have a fair amount of pace going forward with clinical strikers. That’s why it worked so well under Rowett, when we had Keogh and Davies at the back, and Vydra up front. Now though, with our current squad, we’re not capable of playing that way. Setting up 4-2-3-1 when you’re trying to play possession based football isn’t ideal - you end up with too much of a gap between your defensive and attacking units, which you can’t transition through. That’s why I’d be looking to switch to 4-3-3 as our main formation ASAP. It would leave us with a much stronger midfield, with more options to pass to when moving from back to front. Would suit our style much better IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuff264 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 I think I've said before else where but I dont believe 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 are vastly different, more down to the personnel and roles in the midifeld 3 than anything else. If you start Bird, Shinnie and Sibley - thats 4-2-3-1 If you start Shinnie, Sibley and Knight - thats 4-3-3 At least thats how I think about it, I'm sure we'll bounce between the two. I expect next game against Watford to be the 5-4-1 again as they are a good team but against weaker teams who sit back we will struggle to score. The 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 allows us to get more players further forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taribo Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 In theory 5-4-1 works for me: our WB’s like to get forward, Davies is a great leader but lacks pace so a three helps cover that. Evans/Clarke/Wiz can bring it forward. As long as the lone striker is supported by midfield runners/wingers cutting in (which will be achievable with WB’s getting forward) then it can be free-flowing good football. The two downsides are picking just two from Bird, Sibley, Knight, Rooney, Bielik, Holmes, plus Lawrence if we look to use him as a no.10. And secondly having an Ikea unit of a striker to hold the ball up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Perhaps he will stick with the winning formula ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 In an ideal world I would prefer 4231, but the 2 have to be exactly the right players so for now 433 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Hughes Hair Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 I think we're three at the back for the next month as we face up against some tough opposition. I expect we will transition to a 4-3-3 as more players become available that support that formation through November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jimbo Ram Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, Taribo said: In theory 5-4-1 works for me: our WB’s like to get forward, Davies is a great leader but lacks pace so a three helps cover that. Evans/Clarke/Wiz can bring it forward. As long as the lone striker is supported by midfield runners/wingers cutting in (which will be achievable with WB’s getting forward) then it can be free-flowing good football. The two downsides are picking just two from Bird, Sibley, Knight, Rooney, Bielik, Holmes, plus Lawrence if we look to use him as a no.10. And secondly having an Ikea unit of a striker to hold the ball up. Bielik plus one other.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinnitdough Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 I have been shouting formation change since last season. It yielded instant results, although it has to be said: we did have the margins on our side. The only real critique would be to move Rooney down and give someone with more pace a chance at CF Im still very happy with the result and it seems most of what we’ve complained about is being amended. Im am sure Cocu spends his late nights scrolling the forum for knowledge ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 3 hours ago, David said: Is this a picture from when football had radically passed him by and he got Forest relegated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, cannable said: Is this a picture from when football had radically passed him by and he got Forest relegated? They won the league cup in 1990 and got to the FA Cup Final in 91. league cup final again in 92. The relegation in 92-93 was more to do with him being overtaken by alcoholism rather than being overtaken by football tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1976 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 He mentioned formations in his post match interview, the only one he didn’t mention was 4-2-3-1 which we play the most?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 I think we will go 433 at home and maybe 3 CB's away in tougher games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, cannable said: Is this a picture from when football had radically passed him by and he got Forest relegated? Have to say I know we don't like Forest but this was a sad day when it was obvious Clough was past it....such a shame he didn't go out of football with more....always be a legend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 3 hours ago, cannable said: Is this a picture from when football had radically passed him by and he got Forest relegated? That’s the one ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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