ariotofmyown Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Uptherams said: Covid-19 deaths already being revised down. Told you ✌️? Great work. Unlucky losers who died over the last few months. Turns out it wasn't even Covid! You showed them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 7 hours ago, ariotofmyown said: Great work. Unlucky losers who died over the last few months. Turns out it wasn't even Covid! You showed them! I guess the comment was more aimed at the people who have been obsessed with using numbers to Government bash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: I guess the comment was more aimed at the people who have been obsessed with using numbers to Government bash. Aimed at everyone who denied what the ONS stats were highlighting regarding the non Covid-19 death rate and who didn't want to acknowledge how the figures would be revised down for Covid-19, due to reports on how it was being recorded. Nothing changes here I see though. I guess I'm also a shitty person for investing, months ago, in pharma companies working on T-Cell vaccinations too ?? Profiting off death prevention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Just now, Uptherams said: Aimed at everyone who denied what the ONS stats were highlighting regarding the non Covid-19 death rate and who didn't want to acknowledge how the figures would be revised down for Covid-19, due to reports on how it was being recorded. Nothing changes here I see though. I guess I'm also a shitty person for investing, months ago, in pharma companies working on T-Cell vaccinations too ?? Profiting off death prevention. What do you think the ONS death rates were highlighting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I really dont understand why countries can record deaths in different ways. I would have thought WHO would have a policy for recording deaths during a pandemic which countries should adhere to. Clearly the one metric that is undisputable is excess deaths. Of which the UK has many of. I would hope and expect at some point, which I understand probably cant be yet as we have to see how it levels off over the coming year, that there is some detail behind the make up of those excess deaths.... 1. How many were Covid19 related that caused an unexpected death, even if there was an underlying condition. By that I mean that person was expected to live for a good amount of time still. 2. How many were covid19 but the person who died would have been expected to die within a very short period anyway. (This is one i still struggle to get my head straight on though, as who judges that the extra 2,3,4,5,6 months they didnt get wouldnt have been fulfilling anyway) 3. Deaths from cancer or other diseases that could have been avoided 4. Suicide or other deaths that may have occured as a result of people being in lockdown with no contact. There are probably other factors. But I would hope that when a picture is painted that it helps guide us should this happen again. Was Lockdown right? If we had not lockdown would deaths in 3 and 4 that had been saved outweighed those in 1?(That assumes someone decides those in 2 would have happened anyway regardless) It may well prove lockdown was correct, it may prove a more selective lockdown of elderly/vulnerable is the way to go, or it may prove just go for it and put economy first (although i doubt this) I would hope aswell those that are in number 1 who had underlying conditions that there is some data on what those conditions were, if a large percentage prove to be conditions that are largly avoidable (i.e obesity etc), then we as in the public need to also look at ourselves rather than governments of the world and take some responsibility for our health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Uptherams said: Aimed at everyone who denied what the ONS stats were highlighting regarding the non Covid-19 death rate and who didn't want to acknowledge how the figures would be revised down for Covid-19, due to reports on how it was being recorded. Nothing changes here I see though. I guess I'm also a shitty person for investing, months ago, in pharma companies working on T-Cell vaccinations too ?? Profiting off death prevention. I think you are creating your own battles in your head. I'm sure you are aware that excess deaths were massively up for a few months of this year, totalling about 50k. If some of these overall deaths have been categorised now as not Covid, it was still a pretty dire situation. It's also a shitty look to be showing off about such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: I guess the comment was more aimed at the people who have been obsessed with using numbers to Government bash. Yeah cos 5k deaths being re-classified makes up for all their mistakes. It's almost like there was no pandemic now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: I think you are creating your own battles in your head. I'm sure you are aware that excess deaths were massively up for a few months of this year, totalling about 50k. If some of these overall deaths have been categorised now as not Covid, it was still a pretty dire situation. It's also a shitty look to be showing off about such things. It's all still here on the forum in black and white. I'm not going to respond to your last sentence. Not interested in the slightest in such digs. Hope you and your family are well and that deaths per infection continues to drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: Yeah cos 5k deaths being re-classified makes up for all their mistakes. It's almost like there was no pandemic now. Who said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRam Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 On 11/08/2020 at 16:24, Van Gritters said: Good news it looks like Russia has got a vaccine. Any volunteers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 12 hours ago, rammieib said: I find it very frustrating at the big sporting events That's called being a Derby County fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 15 hours ago, ariotofmyown said: I think you are creating your own battles in your head. I'm sure you are aware that excess deaths were massively up for a few months of this year, totalling about 50k. If some of these overall deaths have been categorised now as not Covid, it was still a pretty dire situation. It's also a shitty look to be showing off about such things. It's quite possible that social distancing and mask-wearing are having an effect in reducing fatalities from other communicable diseases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 On 12/08/2020 at 21:36, GboroRam said: https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/uks-response-to-covid-19-too-little-too-late-too-flawed/ Eddie and these amateurs. Should have listened to some blokes on a football forum obvs. It doesn’t mention much about what professional advice was given to the government at the time by the scientific advisors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 35 minutes ago, Van Gritters said: It doesn’t mention much about what professional advice was given to the government at the time by the scientific advisors. Plenty of bits of information have appeared over the past months about SAGE and so on.....who was on it etc Epidemiolists was one branch mentioned. And of course hasn't there been occasional disagreement among the members, so that Johnson can claim hes being "guided by the science " when appearing to change course a number of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: Plenty of bits of information have appeared over the past months about SAGE and so on.....who was on it etc Epidemiolists was one branch mentioned. And of course hasn't there been occasional disagreement among the members, so that Johnson can claim hes being "guided by the science " when appearing to change course a number of times. There are also questions about the make up of the Sage group. Sounds like there were loads of Epidemiologists creating models and predictions, but few people with hands on experience of public health. Guess we'll find out after the inquiry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: There are also questions about the make up of the Sage group. Sounds like there were loads of Epidemiologists creating models and predictions, but few people with hands on experience of public health. Guess we'll find out after the inquiry. The Sith lord attended as well after passing his eye test in Barnard Castle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said: The Sith lord attended as well after passing his eye test in Barnard Castle To be fair to him, he was just listening to what was discussed. Then he used the information to update his old blogs to make it look like he predicted what was going on. Of all his lies, think this one shows how pathetic he really is. The fact he mentioned these 'predictions' during that painful interview too is beyond arrogance. I'm still surprised that this doesn't get more focus, likewise when he openly admitting going back into work after being with his wife who had clear Coivd symptoms. Or how he had to drive his son to hospital in Durham, potentially spreading Covid to other areas of the country, which was exactly why the no travel rules were implemented. It's a farce he is allowed to remain in his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Just speaking to my brother and one of his employees had been contacted by the track and trace crew saying someone he knows has Covid. The employee has had a test, which was negative, but he is still being told to isolate for 14 days. The messaging was unclear if that was 14 days since he was in contact with the infected person, since he had the test or since he had the test result. Government website says: " isolate: you will be told to begin self-isolation for 14 days from your last contact with the person who has tested positive. It’s really important to do this even if you don’t feel unwell because, if you have been infected, you could become infectious to others at any point up to 14 days. Your household doesn’t need to self-isolate with you, if you do not have symptoms, but they must take extra care to follow the guidance on social distancing and handwashing and avoid contact with you at home test if needed: if you develop symptoms of coronavirus, other members of your household must self-isolate immediately at home for 14 days and you must get a test to check if you have coronavirus or call 119 if you have no internet access. If your test is positive, you must continue to stay at home for at least 10 days and we will get in touch to ask about your contacts since they must self-isolate. If your test is negative, you must still complete your 14-day self-isolation period because the virus may not be detectable yet - this is crucial to avoid unknowingly spreading the virus." Doesn't say what happens if you have no symptoms but are tested. Also, slightly worrying that you could have symptoms but a undetectable virus when tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, ariotofmyown said: Just speaking to my brother and one of his employees had been contacted by the track and trace crew saying someone he knows has Covid. The employee has had a test, which was negative, but he is still being told to isolate for 14 days. The messaging was unclear if that was 14 days since he was in contact with the infected person, since he had the test or since he had the test result. Government website says: " isolate: you will be told to begin self-isolation for 14 days from your last contact with the person who has tested positive. It’s really important to do this even if you don’t feel unwell because, if you have been infected, you could become infectious to others at any point up to 14 days. Your household doesn’t need to self-isolate with you, if you do not have symptoms, but they must take extra care to follow the guidance on social distancing and handwashing and avoid contact with you at home test if needed: if you develop symptoms of coronavirus, other members of your household must self-isolate immediately at home for 14 days and you must get a test to check if you have coronavirus or call 119 if you have no internet access. If your test is positive, you must continue to stay at home for at least 10 days and we will get in touch to ask about your contacts since they must self-isolate. If your test is negative, you must still complete your 14-day self-isolation period because the virus may not be detectable yet - this is crucial to avoid unknowingly spreading the virus." Doesn't say what happens if you have no symptoms but are tested. Also, slightly worrying that you could have symptoms but a undetectable virus when tested. This is what I don't get, and hopefully someone can explain, why can't you stop isolating if you get a negative test after x number of days? Seems overly cautious at first glance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 1st new cases 771 - 109 cases 2nd new cases 744 - 27 cases 3rd new cases 938 + 194 cases 4th new cases 670 - 268 cases 5th new cases 892 + 222 cases 6th new cases 950 + 58 cases 7th new cases 871 - 89 cases 8th new cases 758 - 113 cases 9th new cases 1062 + 304 cases 10th new cases 816 - 246 cases 11th new cases 1148 + 330 cases 12th new cases 1009 - 139 cases 13th new cases 1129 + 120 cases 14th new cases 1441 + 312 cases - 0.8% positive test rate Total deaths recorded in the last 24hrs is 11 + 3 not recorded = 14 Total death toll in U.K. relating to Covid 19 is 58’697 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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