Andicis Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 I have to say, I find this quite grating all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djfred84 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 On 16/08/2020 at 12:46, TexasRam said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djfred84 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 44 minutes ago, Andicis said: I have to say, I find this quite grating all things considered. They had a proper lockdown though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Just now, djfred84 said: They had a proper lockdown though. Pretty insensitive though, after they spread the virus to the world and lied about it to then be throwing parties whilst some countries are still getting hundreds of deaths from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted August 18, 2020 Author Share Posted August 18, 2020 So during a major pandemic, it's deemed to be the best time to scrap Public Health England. Is this because it's not been doing a good job or could it be that an agency, that was set up by a previous tory government under David Cameron leadership, wasn't toeing the party line and giving out to much information. Regarding the testing regime and the track and trace procedures. Well I suppose someone as to carry the can, for how the coronavirus crisis as been dealt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 31 minutes ago, 1of4 said: So during a major pandemic, it's deemed to be the best time to scrap Public Health England. Is this because it's not been doing a good job or could it be that an agency, that was set up by a previous tory government under David Cameron leadership, wasn't toeing the party line and giving out to much information. Regarding the testing regime and the track and trace procedures. Well I suppose someone as to carry the can, for how the coronavirus crisis as been dealt with. Or maybe we want to more effectively deal with this pandemic and prepare for the next one by emulating the success of the Robert Koch Institute in Germany, which is what the new agency will be based on. Looks like the government is attempting to solve problems prior to them being listed in the inevitable enquiry into the Covid response. Most of us would probably agree that the initial UK decision making was poor - especially since we were 2 weeks behind the pandemic in Europe. If this helps to fix it for the next wave or next pandemic, then I'm all in favour. It'd be interesting to see if this new body will be independent - as the RKI is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djfred84 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said: Or maybe we want to more effectively deal with this pandemic and prepare for the next one by emulating the success of the Robert Koch Institute in Germany, which is what the new agency will be based on. Looks like the government is attempting to solve problems prior to them being listed in the inevitable enquiry into the Covid response. Most of us would probably agree that the initial UK decision making was poor - especially since we were 2 weeks behind the pandemic in Europe. If this helps to fix it for the next wave or next pandemic, then I'm all in favour. It'd be interesting to see if this new body will be independent - as the RKI is. Knowing this government it is probably a look over there tactic. Probably to deflect away from boris on holiday when poo has hit the fan and he is nowhere to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djfred84 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/aug/17/dido-harding-to-run-agency-to-replace-public-health-england Ha ha what is the point of a new body if it is run by the same incompetence Still waiting on the World Beating test and trace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted August 18, 2020 Author Share Posted August 18, 2020 So the new health agency won't be fully up and working until well into next year. The person put in charge of running it, couldn't organise the proverbial enibrated party in a brewery. Well that the nation's health in safe hands, if we have a second spike this winter Johnson along with all his ministers, will be able to take that well earn holiday. That they've been unable to have, with all the hard work they've put in since the start of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 13 hours ago, TexasRam said: A few on here will be cracking open the bubbly reading that If everyone wore a mask and socially distanced, then there would be no need for lockdowns. But some people cannot be trusted not to be imbeciles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 42 minutes ago, Eddie said: If everyone wore a mask and socially distanced, then there would be no need for lockdowns. But some people cannot be trusted not to be imbeciles. That's just not true though is it. The virus can be transmitted via hard surfaces. Some may even argue that this unnecessary use of face masks has led to people abandoning social distancing which seemed to be working just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted August 18, 2020 Author Share Posted August 18, 2020 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: That's just not true though is it. The virus can be transmitted via hard surfaces. Some may even argue that this unnecessary use of face masks has led to people abandoning social distancing which seemed to be working just fine. Didn't realise some people find it difficult to wear a mask and socially distance at the same time. Maybe with a bit of training they might manage to wash their own hands and eventually be able to do all three at the same time. Not a lot to ask of the population if it helps propel us back to anything like normality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, 1of4 said: Didn't realise some people find it difficult to wear a mask and socially distance at the same time. Maybe with a bit of training they might manage to wash their own hands and eventually be able to do all three at the same time. Not a lot to ask of the population if it helps propel us back to anything like normality. Just saying what I am seeing. Since the introduction of masks, the security guards appear to have gone from supermarkets and numbers are not being limited. I think the mask rule was introduced to give people confidence, not because it stops the virus from spreading. In my opinion its given a false sense of security and I'm not surprised to see the infection rate going up at all. Not really fussed so though as to doesnt seem to be translating into deaths. Think it looks like we have seen the worst of this virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: That's just not true though is it. The virus can be transmitted via hard surfaces. Some may even argue that this unnecessary use of face masks has led to people abandoning social distancing which seemed to be working just fine. Not true? Every single study on the transmission of COVID-19 (and there have been dozens, if not hundreds) has indicated that the greatest danger in by direct transmission via (relatively) large droplets from coughing or sneezing, and then someone inhaling the droplets, and the biggest danger is being indoors with other people in close confinement. I'm really not sure where you pulled the last line from. I would be interested who the 'some' are who may argue that masks are to blame - I suspect they might not be very bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Some interesting observations regarding studies of the transmission of COVID-19 (fairly recent): https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/latest-evidence/transmission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Eddie said: Some interesting observations regarding studies of the transmission of COVID-19 (fairly recent): https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/latest-evidence/transmission Sorry Eddie, we've heard enough of the "experts". Time for Karen from Facebook to have a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 6 hours ago, Eddie said: Not true? Every single study on the transmission of COVID-19 (and there have been dozens, if not hundreds) has indicated that the greatest danger in by direct transmission via (relatively) large droplets from coughing or sneezing, and then someone inhaling the droplets, and the biggest danger is being indoors with other people in close confinement. I'm really not sure where you pulled the last line from. I would be interested who the 'some' are who may argue that masks are to blame - I suspect they might not be very bright. Well I hope you're right, the virus should have gone in a few weeks then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Well I hope you're right, the virus should have gone in a few weeks then. Wear a mask when you can Socially distance when you can Wash your hands often If enough people do the above enough of the time, the virus will fade. The converse is true too - if the virus doesn't fade, it means that not enough of the above conditions are being applied by enough people. I realise that a few people were rabbiting on about that big water party in Wuhan - but those people (probably aided by big whips and people in Hazmat suits) did effectively eliminate the virus from their community by being diligent. Test, trace and isolate is how you get on top of it when you do get outbreaks - and the response to outbreaks has to be local lockdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Eddie said: realise that a few people were rabbiting on about that big water party in Wuhan - but those people (probably aided by big whips and people in Hazmat suits) did effectively eliminate the virus from their community by being diligent. I don't have a problem with the party. Sounds like people are taking objection which i don't really get. Nobody purposely let loose a virus, I believe. The people partying did nothing individually wrong. They started lockdown first so have dealt with it longer than any other community. We will be the same when we are fully free of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 18 hours ago, 1of4 said: So during a major pandemic, it's deemed to be the best time to scrap Public Health England. Is this because it's not been doing a good job or could it be that an agency, that was set up by a previous tory government under David Cameron leadership, wasn't toeing the party line and giving out to much information. Regarding the testing regime and the track and trace procedures. Well I suppose someone as to carry the can, for how the coronavirus crisis as been dealt with. Will be replaced by something world beating,,, if only Dom and boris could be persuaded to take over from Gareth Southgate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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