RoyMac5 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Donnyram said: Makes sense with Shay not named with Lampard, Morris & Jones as having time off. This would be good news if he stays as it provides some continuity and knowledge of the current squad. I assume he’s been assured of a role with the new team and possibly been given an incentive to stay. Why is it a good thing - we have a former England keeper and an average Championship keepers was picked before him, supposedly for his ability to play out... Can't see a new manager not wanting his own 'training staff'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, reveldevil said: Twan Scheepers is Welsh for 2 sheep. Tie them to a lamppost and you've got a Welsh theme park with 2 rides and long queues. You just can't get the audience can you ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnyram Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Carnero said: I see what you did there... Nope, didn’t see that one at all ?. Anyway, I still hope he shays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 35 minutes ago, Kernow said: He won it 3 times in 4 years off the back of Ajax winning it 4 times in a row. The season after he left, Ajax won again. Its a bit different to going in and winning a one-off title. PSV hadn’t won a title since 2008 so it’s not as if he inherited a squad of Champions. Not only did he win the league but he built the squad to be consistently dominant. I think that’s impressive whatever the league. To be fair kind of reiterates my point. If it is Cocu I would of course be more than happy to say he was better than I thought he may be . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamLad1884 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 16 minutes ago, Jayram said: I genuinely can’t understand the excitement about this either. I will of course support whoever takes over but I think this sudden reverence for Cocu is ridiculous. What does he know about the Championship? Will he be able to manage without being fully funded like he was at PSV? If he was that good why was he sacked from his last job after 4 months? Not at all convinced by this. It's easy to say that we should go for someone with championship experience, but how many of those managers are available? Moore: uninspiring and has done nothing of note. Hardly call him experienced either. Hughton: best of the bunch, would probably demand a transfer kitty though, one promotion doesn't make him a great manager unfortunately. Monk: got Swansea up and since then seems to have dive bombed his career. Look at the promoted teams of the last few years, how many went up with 'experienced championship managers' (checked it myself, its about half had any championship experience whatsoever). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Donnyram said: Nope, didn’t see that one at all ?. Anyway, I still hope he shays I think it will be a shayme if he stays. Both Goalkeepers not good enough last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Why is it a good thing - we have a former England keeper and an average Championship keepers was picked before him, supposedly for his ability to play out... Can't see a new manager not wanting his own 'training staff'. Contrary to some trains of thought, the GK coach does not pick which GK plays. They advise on whether or not the players are capable, and who they prefer in different ways, but the decision is always the manager's preference. I somewhat agree with you on Roos v Carson, not with the same vigor, but it's still definitely a matter that rests on Lampards shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnyram Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Why is it a good thing - we have a former England keeper and an average Championship keepers was picked before him, supposedly for his ability to play out... Can't see a new manager not wanting his own 'training staff'. Fair point although I don’t think Scott was in great form at the time. However I always felt there was a mistake waiting to happen with Kelle. Unfortunately happened in the biggest game of the season. I guess we’ll see what happens with Shay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GenBr Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, Jayram said: I genuinely can’t understand the excitement about this either. I will of course support whoever takes over but I think this sudden reverence for Cocu is ridiculous. What does he know about the Championship? Will he be able to manage without being fully funded like he was at PSV? If he was that good why was he sacked from his last job after 4 months? Not at all convinced by this. I dont understand why "knowledge of the championship" is relevant at all. Several international managers have been promoted to the Prem in recent years. Last years champions had a German manager. Bielsa and Lampard neither played nor managed in the Championship before last year. Completely irrelevant to me. In 14/15 PSV net spend was less than £1 mill. In 15/16 they made a £30 mill profit on player sales after they sold some of the youth players Cocu had helped to develop. In 16/17 they made a profit of £10 million on transfers with £5 mill spent on incoming. In 17/18 they made another profit of £20 mil. 2 years he barely spent anything and then the other 2 he spent money from selling homegrown talent. At least for the first year we can more than compete on spending power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayram Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, RamLad1884 said: It's easy to say that we should go for someone with championship experience, but how many of those managers are available? Moore: uninspiring and has done nothing of note. Hardly call him experienced either. Hughton: best of the bunch, would probably demand a transfer kitty though, one promotion doesn't make him a great manager unfortunately. Monk: got Swansea up and since then seems to have dive bombed his career. Look at the promoted teams of the last few years, how many went up with 'experienced championship managers' (checked it myself, its about half had any championship experience whatsoever). Hughton has been promoted twice from the Championship with different clubs so to my mind that makes him the best fit for us by a country mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, RamLad1884 said: It's easy to say that we should go for someone with championship experience, but how many of those managers are available? Moore: uninspiring and has done nothing of note. Hardly call him experienced either. Hughton: best of the bunch, would probably demand a transfer kitty though, one promotion doesn't make him a great manager unfortunately. Monk: got Swansea up and since then seems to have dive bombed his career. Look at the promoted teams of the last few years, how many went up with 'experienced championship managers' (checked it myself, its about half had any championship experience whatsoever). I thought Monk was appointed when Swansea were already in the Prem. Either way he did a pretty good job whilst he was in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, archram said: Nice one David - just noticed the Schwartz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 9 hours ago, MK-Ram said: Dimmu built up Valakari so much... Seriously though, if Cocu is the calibre we are looking at then Van Bronckhorst and Tedesco might be options...this is entering fantasy land Good level of points on Tedesco. Points mean prizes. We must make sure that they are not cloggers. Do Armani do clogs. The incredible kudos of having Lampard and him getting the Chelsea job has made the job interesting to high profile managers we hope. We need to reclaim the land of the Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De22Ram Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 I dont really get the excitment either to be honest! Its a big name yes! Im not so fussed about his knowledge of the championship, more the fact he plays defensive minded football! Not free flowing attacking football that goes down well with the fans! This is just what ive heard, i havent seen a great deal of games wheres hes managed, so i may be wrong, but early alarms bells are ringing! if we get him, and were playing defensive football will everyone be happy? personally, if were winning, im not to fussed, but i know there are those who do mind! And i see there point also! also i wasnt convinced by frank at first either lol but i did think it was a master stroke by mel, in terms of bringing the spot light on us and getting more games on sky etc! Is he thinking the same here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Just send Cocu and his mate all the videos of our U18s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayram Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, GenBr said: I dont understand why "knowledge of the championship" is relevant at all. Several international managers have been promoted to the Prem in recent years. Last years champions had a German manager. Bielsa and Lampard neither played nor managed in the Championship before last year. Completely irrelevant to me. In 14/15 PSV net spend was less than £1 mill. In 15/16 they made a £30 mill profit on player sales after they sold some of the youth players Cocu had helped to develop. In 16/17 they made a profit of £10 million on transfers with £5 mill spent on incoming. In 17/18 they made another profit of £20 mil. 2 years he barely spent anything and then the other 2 he spent money from selling homegrown talent. At least for the first year we can more than compete on spending power. Well I can see from your avatar you have already bought into the Cocu love-in fella! I on the other happen to think that an English manager with a genuine knowledge and pedigree in this league is the way forward. We’ll have to agree to disagree. Let’s hope Cocu isn’t another Frank De Boer at Palace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDerbySuperRams Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Any standout Dutch league players that would be potential targets? Seeing as we are hiring 2x ex PSV coaches and one current one, do they have anyone we could potentially bid for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo jones Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jayram said: Hughton has been promoted twice from the Championship with different clubs so to my mind that makes him the best fit for us by a country mile. Hughton is 61 I believe, he will have his feet up waiting for the first premier league club to panic and sack the manager to come calling, and have one last pay day before he retires. I doubt he has any interest in coming to Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Phillip Cocu will be Derby County's new trainer and will take along his former PSV assistant Chris van der Weerden and current Young PSV assistant Twan Scheepers. Scheepers announced his retirement at PSV this afternoon. More on the ED site. from same Dutch Guy SDSR just posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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