maxjam Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 18 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Interesting - especially this quote. You can see why they didn't want to vote Tory It still feels deeply suspect that anti-semitism in the Labour party was frequently front page news, and dragged up over and over - in comparison to Islamaphobia in the Tory party which seemed to get mentioned in dispatches but seemed to gain no traction with the media. I said maybe 100 pages ago now after Corbyn's interview with Andrew Neil on prime time TV that perhaps he didn't outright apologise because 250k votes lost equals 4m votes gained (total UK Jewish population vs Muslim population). Whether either party is anti-semitic or islamophobic or to what degree is neither here nor there, if you can appear as one and not the other there's a lot of votes at stake. Oooh, conspiracy theory time! The two previous maps I posted showed almost 100% correlation of high density muslim areas and Labour seats. I'd suggest that both main parties have work to do vs racism, I don't know how you start it though. Maybe a mass apology from both parties and a commitment to free speech in the House of Commons, with inevitable future minor slip ups dealt with by apology rather than outrage/sacking cutlure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, reverendo de duivel said: Genuine question, are Muslims more likely to vote Labour than any other party? Look at the figure 1 graph. Muslims overwhelmingly voted Labour in 2017. Highly doubt it was any different a few days ago. http://www.brin.ac.uk/religious-affiliation-and-party-choice-at-the-2017-general-election/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Asif. A lovely floated cross from the Rev - nodded in at the back post by i-ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: And how many times have you asked posters to back up their claims of 'racist'? I'm guessing that will be 0. For people who go on and on about free speech and the like, you all get very worked up by these supposed accusations of been racist/xenophobic etc. I can't remember reading any accusations of racism on this forum, at least since the politics thread came back. I assume there must be regular accusations like this as the same people keep going on and on about it, but that they are always deleted by the mods before I get round to reading them. You snowflakes need to believe in yourself more and not get as uppity when one of the communists on here suggests that the People's PM Johnson has said some pretty irresponsible things in the past. Like his infamous Letterbox slur, clearly intended to cause division and let certain sections of society know he can give it to the Muslims. Imagine the indignation of everyone if Corbyn had use similar crass language to laugh at the appearance or orthodox Jews and imply he couldn't trust them as they were hiding behind their big beards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, reverendo de duivel said: Genuine question, are Muslims more likely to vote Labour than any other party? Given that Bojo has been a little careless in the past when describing muslim women and labour has got a problem with antisemetism so by extension Israel (no friend of any muslims) i think the answer would have to be labour one would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, maxjam said: I'd suggest that both main parties have work to do vs racism, I don't know how you start it though. Absolutely - my point was more about the media handling of the two sides. Is that because there are a lot of famous personalities in the media who happen to be jewish - and thus the anti-semitism scandals were amplified in a way that the islamaphobia stuff wasn't? Or is it that the ISIS terrorism stuff makes people less likely to be sympathetic to islamaphobia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: I can't remember reading any accusations of racism on this forum, at least since the politics thread came back. I know we're not supposed to discuss deleted posts but in the interests of openness - I admit that I did call out a post as having racist undertones in the language that the poster used - and my post was deleted to stop the inevitable argument. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Absolutely - my point was more about the media handling of the two sides. Is that because there are a lot of famous personalities in the media who happen to be jewish - and thus the anti-semitism scandals were amplified in a way that the islamaphobia stuff wasn't? Or is it that the ISIS terrorism stuff makes people less likely to be sympathetic to islamaphobia? I think if you start picking sides for whatever reason its gonna end badly. There has to be a blanket statement and commitment to do better, lay out some ground rules and go from there. I don't like all this historical blame game, times change and so do people and societies. We can't change the past but we can do better in the future. If we all want to live together everyone has to give a little and take a little. If we can't even discuss what the boundaries are then we'll all have differing views as to who has overstepped them and by how much. Start afresh, employ a philosophy of education and forgiveness for inadvertent transgressions whilst punishing the actual racists. Sounds simple really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 BTW, anyone watching this years gaff filled Sports Personality of the Year. Gabby Logan and Gary Lineker aren't having the best of nights lol. If I wrote what Gabby Logan just accidentally said on here I'd get the post deleted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 41 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: A lovely floated cross from the Rev - nodded in at the back post by i-ram I've got Hinton's boots on. The White ones, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 45 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: For people who go on and on about free speech and the like, you all get very worked up by these supposed accusations of been racist/xenophobic etc. I can't remember reading any accusations of racism on this forum, at least since the politics thread came back. I assume there must be regular accusations like this as the same people keep going on and on about it, but that they are always deleted by the mods before I get round to reading them. You snowflakes need to believe in yourself more and not get as uppity when one of the communists on here suggests that the People's PM Johnson has said some pretty irresponsible things in the past. Like his infamous Letterbox slur, clearly intended to cause division and let certain sections of society know he can give it to the Muslims. Imagine the indignation of everyone if Corbyn had use similar crass language to laugh at the appearance or orthodox Jews and imply he couldn't trust them as they were hiding behind their big beards. You do realise that none of us are actually bothered about the labels thrown at us. We just like to point out the blatant hypocrisy. Farage is a racist Johnson is a racist Tommy Robinson is a racist Ok, let's discuss Diane Abbots racist comments... Oh no they've been taken out of context blah blah blah. Its laughable. I like the Johnson letterbox one the best. Why is context not being used there? He was defending peoples right to wear them. But oh no, this was a racist comment designed to cause division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Mafiabob said: I still like turtles Fried or boiled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 49 minutes ago, maxjam said: Look at the figure 1 graph. Muslims overwhelmingly voted Labour in 2017. Highly doubt it was any different a few days ago. http://www.brin.ac.uk/religious-affiliation-and-party-choice-at-the-2017-general-election/ I didn't realise the top map was labelled! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, reverendo de duivel said: I didn't realise the top map was labelled! Yeah sorry the info was in the wiki link, the darker the green the greater the Muslim population. Overlap the seats Labour won in the General election with it and its virtually identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 3 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: I like the Johnson letterbox one the best. Why is context not being used there? He was defending peoples right to wear them. But oh no, this was a racist comment designed to cause division. Really? I thought he was arguing the women should be free to not wear them. I.e. They were a symbol of oppression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, RamNut said: Really? I thought he was arguing the women should be free to not wear them. I.e. They were a symbol of oppression. He argues both that they're a symbol of oppression, and women should be free to choose to wear them. The Telegraph article is behind a paywall, but it's transcribed in its entirety in the link below. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/95kg2e/denmark_has_got_it_wrong_yes_the_burka_is/?st=k47tfkpb&sh=c9fc05e8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Anon said: He argues both that they're a symbol of oppression, and women should be free to choose to wear them. The Telegraph article is behind a paywall, but it's transcribed in its entirety in the link below. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/95kg2e/denmark_has_got_it_wrong_yes_the_burka_is/?st=k47tfkpb&sh=c9fc05e8 Absolutely nothing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 6 hours ago, RamNut said: Really? I thought he was arguing the women should be free to not wear them. I.e. They were a symbol of oppression. Nope. He said he didnt support banning them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FindernRam Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 19 hours ago, Highgate said: I can't see why another Scottish independence referendum isn't justified under the new circumstances I think the issue for me is calling Scotland a country. It is not, a country has its own sovereign government. Scotland has not had that for 300 years It is a region of the UK and has no more right to be independent than say, Cornwall, or Yorkshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, FindernRam said: I think the issue for me is calling Scotland a country. It is not, a country has its own sovereign government. Scotland has not had that for 300 years It is a region of the UK and has no more right to be independent than say, Cornwall, or Yorkshire. Incoming........................ ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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