Gritstone Ram Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 14 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: What is the real living wage? Guessing at monthly expenditure I'd say the current minimum wage is about right. Rent / Mortgage = £500 pm Council Tax, Power, Water, Internet = £250 Food = £120 pp Car = £120 'Luxuries' on top of that... Phone - £10 pp (excluding phone cost) Presents - £50 pp (£600 for the year) Clothes/Other - £50 pp (£600 for the year) Totals based on my very crude estimates... 1 Adult - £1100 1 Adult, 1 Child - £1330 1 Adult, 2 Children - £1560 1 Adult, 3 Children - £1790 2 Adults, 3 Children - £2020 What do you need to earn (per hour) to reach these figures? 1 Adult - £7.30 1 Adult, 1 Child - £9.40 1 Adult, 2 Children - £11.40 1 Adult, 3 Children - £13.50 2 Adults, 3 Children - £15.60 (one parent working) 2 Adults, 3 Children - £6.45 (both parents working) Maybe people need to learn how to spend their money more efficiently? You forgot season tickets and away matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 5 hours ago, 1of4 said: Well at least Corbyn showed some decorum and respect during the two minutes silence. Unlike Johnson who was constantly looking around and appearing to look bored by the whole event. Agreed, I mean how can we really trust someone to be Prime Minister if he is looking round during two minutes silence? I love the build up to a General Election where we concentrate on all of the important matters do the country... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagtime Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 The passport office is being pro-active, just received my new one and European Union has been taken off the front cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 8 hours ago, 1of4 said: While we're on the subject of Remembrance Sunday. Found it odd that the press didn't deride a certain political party leader for his slovenly appearance, when he was laying a wreath at the Cenotaph. The idiot even managed to place the wreath the wrong way round. So why did we not see column inch after column inch along with incriminating photos in all of todays papers? Could the answer be that the idiot was Boris Johnson and not Jeremy Corbyn. It's weird that the BBC then showed footage from 2016. Conspiracy theorists are going mental but seeing as it was noticed & reported within a few minutes, it would have to be the worst attempt at covert media bias ever. Deliberately not from the BBC site: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bbc-boris-johnson-brexit-wreath-laying-cenotaph-footage-wrong-old-tory-bias-a9198521.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said: It's weird that the BBC then showed footage from 2016. Conspiracy theorists are going mental but seeing as it was noticed & reported within a few minutes, it would have to be the worst attempt at covert media bias ever. Deliberately not from the BBC site: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bbc-boris-johnson-brexit-wreath-laying-cenotaph-footage-wrong-old-tory-bias-a9198521.html But wouldn't the left wing, socialist BBC be making sure they don't miss an opportunity to drop Boris in it? Or are they just inept left wing socialists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ram for All Seasons Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 9 hours ago, 1of4 said: Could the answer be that the idiot was Boris Johnson and not Jeremy Corbyn Or Michael Foot in a "donkey jacket" in the early Eighties if you can remember that far back, which formed the basis for a long character assassination campaign against scruffy Labour politicians by the Sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 6 hours ago, 1of4 said: Well at least Corbyn showed some decorum and respect during the two minutes silence. Unlike Johnson who was constantly looking around and appearing to look bored by the whole event. Yet still some outlets managed to turn it into more of a thing about Corbyn than Boris. Who would have thought it? Outrage as Corbyn accused of failing to bow in respect to war dead at Remembrance ceremony https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1202502/jeremy-corbyn-remembrance-sunday-cenotaph-service-labour-party-queen-latest Corbyn ‘Shows His True Colours’ As He Reveals Excuse Behind Failing To Attend Festival Of Remembrance https://politicaluk.co.uk/2019/11/corbyn-shows-his-true-colours-as-he-reveals-excuse-behind-failing-to-attend-festival-of-remembrance/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 9 hours ago, GboroRam said: Not going to call it yet. Still time, anything could happen. Labour are up against it, tories are in the driving seat. Hopefully people will remember the lies from Boris and his mates and come to their senses. I think there is a long way to go yet. In the space of a few days we've gone from Farage saying that Boris's deal is the worst ever Brexit imaginable to standing down his candidates to try and ensure a Tory majority. Something in that stinks, but we won't find out what just yet. In effect what this leaves us with is the Tory party as a proxy Brexit Party - there is literally no difference now. The ERG coup of the Conservative Party that some predicted is officially done. This is definitely going to force Labour's hand, as they (quite rightly) are trying to make the election about the 99% not the 52% that voted Brexit, but faced with the Tories going all out on Brexit and nothing but Brexit, their strategy is pointless if they can't win that way We now get to see how much all the other parties want to stop a hardline right wing government taking us out of the EU by any means possible. Surely if they start declaring pacts to stand down candidates then it's the death knell for FPTP? How can an election be openly fought on a ticket of "how best to game the stupid FPTP system to deliver the desired result"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: I think there is a long way to go yet. In the space of a few days we've gone from Farage saying that Boris's deal is the worst ever Brexit imaginable to standing down his candidates to try and ensure a Tory majority. Something in that stinks, but we won't find out what just yet. In effect what this leaves us with is the Tory party as a proxy Brexit Party - there is literally no difference now. The ERG coup of the Conservative Party that some predicted is officially done. This is definitely going to force Labour's hand, as they (quite rightly) are trying to make the election about the 99% not the 52% that voted Brexit, but faced with the Tories going all out on Brexit and nothing but Brexit, their strategy is pointless if they can't win that way We now get to see how much all the other parties want to stop a hardline right wing government taking us out of the EU by any means possible. Surely if they start declaring pacts to stand down candidates then it's the death knell for FPTP? How can an election be openly fought on a ticket of "how best to game the stupid FPTP system to deliver the desired result"? Lord or Sir Nigel, which one you reckon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 minute ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said: Lord or Sir Nigel, which one you reckon ? Saint.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 28 minutes ago, A Ram for All Seasons said: Or Michael Foot in a "donkey jacket" in the early Eighties if you can remember that far back, which formed the basis for a long character assassination campaign against scruffy Labour politicians by the Sun. It was a duffle coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Saint.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSD Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 On 08/11/2019 at 10:32, McRamFan said: So the Tories take away the nursing bursaries, and then decide to bring in staff from abroad. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50338073 I'm sure they will flock here, especially to treat some old gammon who insists on being treated by english person, and would probably say 'I voted for you to leave my country'. My lady friend is studying nursing at Uni. An absolute insult by the government. We are in desperate need of nurses in this country, yet we offer zero incentives to a job which is critical. The biggest gripe I have with the Tories is taking away grants for people who want to study as a health professional, a key job in society. Yet they get the same benefits as someone who wants to do a comic book degree. Completely wrong. Surely a government would look at what critical jobs we are in short supply of and promote benefits to encourage people to study these positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, SouthStandDan said: My lady friend is studying nursing at Uni. An absolute insult by the government. We are in desperate need of nurses in this country, yet we offer zero incentives to a job which is critical. The biggest gripe I have with the Tories is taking away grants for people who want to study as a health professional, a key job in society. Yet they get the same benefits as someone who wants to do a comic book degree. Completely wrong. Surely a government would look at what critical jobs we are in short supply of and promote benefits to encourage people to study these positions. What does she have to do? A degree in nursing at Uni then get a job in the NHS. Surely the NHS is big enough to have its own academy or academies for nursing and doctors and in house training on different wards around hospitals. I’m sure that’s how it was done years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 24 minutes ago, SouthStandDan said: My lady friend is studying nursing at Uni. An absolute insult by the government. We are in desperate need of nurses in this country, yet we offer zero incentives to a job which is critical. The biggest gripe I have with the Tories is taking away grants for people who want to study as a health professional, a key job in society. Yet they get the same benefits as someone who wants to do a comic book degree. Completely wrong. Surely a government would look at what critical jobs we are in short supply of and promote benefits to encourage people to study these positions. Agreed - my missus did her degree in Occupational Therapy in the early 2000s and she got a bursary, as there was a severe skills shortage. These bursaries were later removed by the Tories. So when people talk about the NHS being starved of funds, it's not just on the front line - it's everywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 54 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: I think there is a long way to go yet. In the space of a few days we've gone from Farage saying that Boris's deal is the worst ever Brexit imaginable to standing down his candidates to try and ensure a Tory majority. Something in that stinks, but we won't find out what just yet. Nigel has just worked out that by splitting the Brexit vote, he risks letting Labour in and a possible/likely no-Brexit at all. He may not like Boris's deal but if it's that or Brexit being scrapped altogether, it makes perfect sense. He's still intending to put up candidates in seats that the Tories need to win, to get a majority - which is still a big problem for the Tories. I expect more deals to be done on a seat by basis between the two parties in Labour marginals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 56 minutes ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said: Lord or Sir Nigel, which one you reckon ? Lord. So he can still get money for doing bugger-all. He'll be able to call into the House of Lords, collect his daily allowance payment. Then nip off to the LBC studios, to spout crap for a couple of hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 6 hours ago, ketteringram said: What result are you expecting? Conservative win. Depending on some kind of actual 'Leave' alliance, a majority or a massive majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 The Labour Party as announced that there as been a cyber attack on it's digital platforms. I wonder who could have done this? Maybe if 10 Downing Street and this tory government had released the report on Russian interference in our elections. The public might have a better understanding of how fake news and lies are spread through social media platforms. There again the intelligence report may not even mention anything about the hacking of websites and the spreading of false information by the Russians. It could just contain evidence on the alleged donations given to the conservative party by foreign companies. What the report does actually contain, we may never know, as it will probably never see the light of day outside of Downing Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 53 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Agreed - my missus did her degree in Occupational Therapy in the early 2000s and she got a bursary, as there was a severe skills shortage. These bursaries were later removed by the Tories. So when people talk about the NHS being starved of funds, it's not just on the front line - it's everywhere https://nurseslabs.com/high-nursing-student-dropout-rates-are-a-globe-concern/ Nursing drop out rates are nearly 25% so funding is wasted, solution lets employ people from abroad attitude which may seem an easy option but not when there is a global shortage of nurses and a shortage of accommodation in this country as well for them to live. Its about time we trained people in this country first in all professions not just nurses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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