The Politics Thread 2019

[GboroRam]

4 hours ago, maxjam said:

Next step, pay everyone the same - we'll soon have that communist utopia

Whose vision is that? In what way is it communist? 

[1of4]

3 hours ago, Norman said:

My point is that he is celebrating it. Saying it shows he will win a general election. It's the smallest percentage point win, ever. Nobody has got a seat with a lower percentage. A split vote if ever you will see one.

The bloke is so ducking deluded.

The strategy of waiting on the fence until he can leap off it to force a general election is mad. He won't win it.

In the meantime, he is doing nothing of any good for this country.

If you are Lib Dems, at least you are doing what you can for the good of the country, if that's your opinion. And fair play to them.

But Labour? What do they stand for? What are they doing? duck all. Waiting for that mystical general election and frothing at the mouth to anyone with a different opinion. Tolerance my arse.

 

Spin it however you want it was a win for Labour.

The party that ran on just one policy, this strategy may have worked for them in the European elections, came second. The Conservative party ran on the failing policies that saw them lose their overall majority in the last general election. The voters of Peterborough decided that they preferred the Labour party and their policies when it came to who represented them in our own Parliament.

 

As for a split vote on a turn out of 48%, higher than the resent local and European elections. The top three parties shared over 80% of the vote, 31,29 and 21% respectively and with the brexit party mainly garnering their support from the other two parties. In a constituency that is recognised as a marginal seat, the relative share of the vote between the three parties isn't entirely surprising.

If you're implying that Labour only won because leave supporters split their vote across the other party. How do you assume that all Tory voters support leave and all brexit party voters are all former Conservatives. 

[ketteringram]

Might have to wait and see if Labour won the seat, if the bizzare postal vote figures get investigated. 

[maxjam]

56 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

Whose vision is that? In what way is it communist? 

If you try to enforce 'opportunity of outcome' to level the playing field you're on the road to communism.  It was a tongue in cheek reference to Comrade Corbyn ?

From the Guardian article;

Speaking at a Labour education event in Birmingham, the party leader vowed to replace the idea that the brightest, most talented young people must have the opportunity to succeed, with a demand that all children be allowed to flourish.

That concerns me tbh, obviously the idea is commendable but you also have to allow the brightest, the most hard working and the risk takers the fruits of their labour otherwise why will they bother and as a society we'll cease to progress - as much as we want it to be, life simply isn't fair. 

The devil will be in the detail and we'll wait to see what Corbyn's ideas actually are.

[eddie]

4 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Any chance of a sensible answer? 

I'm going to guess and say you've actually never seem anything that he has to say and are just going from what has been reported by the mainstream media.

And of course that's your perogative of course. 

 

The fact that he was the de facto leader of the English Defence League is reason enough to ignore anything and everything he says. After all, actions speak louder than words. The fact that you support him is reason enough to put you back on ignore. Stop wasting my time.

[jono]

1 hour ago, GboroRam said:

He could have voted for the deal that the tories couldn't bring themselves to support? 

Oh yes mate, dead right. But I was talking about Corbyn and his decisions and abilities. Tories are in a mess. Right wing cadre attempting to run the show. Corbyn ? What’s he done except talk about what other people should do 

[G STAR RAM]

13 minutes ago, eddie said:

The fact that he was the de facto leader of the English Defence League is reason enough to ignore anything and everything he says. After all, actions speak louder than words. The fact that you support him is reason enough to put you back on ignore. Stop wasting my time.

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

In one simple paragraph you've quite easily managed to display the major problem in the country at this moment time.

Intolerance, a belief that your beliefs are correct, more important than everyone else's and completely unopen to challenge. 

I don't support TR. I just want people who hate him so much to intelligently take apart what he says and explain what he says is so wrong, if what he says is so abhorrent and wrong you would think this would be easy?

Like so many though, you don't even know what he has said so would be unable to do so.

I have respect for your opinions, unfortunately you let yourself down with the way you speak down to posters whoever have the audacity to have an opinion different to yours.

 

[jono]

On 07/06/2019 at 19:28, 1of4 said:

If he votes for a no deal, then yes, it will apply to him.

But he didn’t vote for deal either did he. Opportunist moaner without the ability or guts to actually commit.

wants leave because he’d be free to instigate his socialist vision, wants to stay because it looks like that’s the way the vote is going and anyway can’t afford his vision. He’s a child supported by jealous spoilt children without a jot of historical knowledge or common sense. 

[uttoxram75]

Looking at all the manifestos of the political parties i will only ever vote Labour.

 

I could never vote for a party that wants to privatise the NHS. I can't see any way whatsoever that the people of this country would be better off with a privatised health service.

[GboroRam]

https://www.in-cumbria.com/news/17693548.dmack-tyre-boss-scraps-plan-for-new-200m-factory-in-carlisle-and-blames-brexit/

Another brexit success. 

[GboroRam]

13 hours ago, maxjam said:

If you try to enforce 'opportunity of outcome' to level the playing field you're on the road to communism.  It was a tongue in cheek reference to Comrade Corbyn ?

From the Guardian article;

Speaking at a Labour education event in Birmingham, the party leader vowed to replace the idea that the brightest, most talented young people must have the opportunity to succeed, with a demand that all children be allowed to flourish.

That concerns me tbh, obviously the idea is commendable but you also have to allow the brightest, the most hard working and the risk takers the fruits of their labour otherwise why will they bother and as a society we'll cease to progress - as much as we want it to be, life simply isn't fair. 

The devil will be in the detail and we'll wait to see what Corbyn's ideas actually are.

I was talking about the lazy accusation that all lefties want equal pay for everyone. Who ever suggested that as a proposal? It's not how this works. 

[dog]

Interesting to see the Tory press beginning to turn on particular candidates. Wonder who tipped off the mail about Gove?

Exposé yesterday

More focused unpicking today

Who next?

Be interesting to see who it isn't.....

[G STAR RAM]

1 hour ago, GboroRam said:

https://www.in-cumbria.com/news/17693548.dmack-tyre-boss-scraps-plan-for-new-200m-factory-in-carlisle-and-blames-brexit/

Another brexit success. 

Another story blaming Brexit for something but then when you actually read the story it bears no resemblance to the headline. It's getting boring.

[Anon]

14 hours ago, jono said:

Oh yes mate, dead right. But I was talking about Corbyn and his decisions and abilities. Tories are in a mess. Right wing cadre attempting to run the show. Corbyn ? What’s he done except talk about what other people should do 

I'm certainly no fan of Jezza's, but this is what every opposition leader ever has done. I still don't understand where the optimism about his chances in an election are coming from though. In the history of our nation Labour has never won enough seats in England and Wales alone to win a general election and he's done duck all to even try to pry Scots away from their nationalist party.

[G STAR RAM]

21 minutes ago, dog said:

Interesting to see the Tory press beginning to turn on particular candidates. Wonder who tipped off the mail about Gove?

Exposé yesterday

More focused unpicking today

Who next?

Be interesting to see who it isn't.....

I find it all extremely sad.

Who cares what these people have done 20 or 30 years ago before they were even politicians? 

How does it affect what they are going to do in the future.

I think there should be a carpet ban on media outlets reporting on the politicians private lives.

Once again it's the mainstream media trying to tell everyone how to vote.

The decision should come down to politicians policies. 

[1of4]

33 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

I find it all extremely sad.

Who cares what these people have done 20 or 30 years ago before they were even politicians? 

How does it affect what they are going to do in the future.

I think there should be a carpet ban on media outlets reporting on the politicians private lives.

Once again it's the mainstream media trying to tell everyone how to vote.

The decision should come down to politicians policies. 

Maybe if at the time of his drug taking, Gove hadn't wrote a newspaper article condemning the use of cannabis by the middle-class professionals. It goes to shows that he is an hypocrite, a do as I say not what as I do attitude. Is this the type of self-interest person we want in charge of our country?

As a side note, he could face a travel ban and be unable to enter the USA. Which would prove interesting for a potential future Prime Minister of Great Britain.

[Norman]

7 minutes ago, 1of4 said:

Maybe if at the time of his drug taking, Gove hadn't wrote a newspaper article condemning the use of cannabis by the middle-class professionals. It goes to shows that he is an hypocrite, a do as I say not what as I do attitude. Is this the type of self-interest person we want in charge of our country?

As a side note, he could face a travel ban and be unable to enter the USA. Which would prove interesting for a potential future Prime Minister of Great Britain.

I would assume Corbyn already is banned.

[G STAR RAM]

17 minutes ago, 1of4 said:

Maybe if at the time of his drug taking, Gove hadn't wrote a newspaper article condemning the use of cannabis by the middle-class professionals. It goes to shows that he is an hypocrite, a do as I say not what as I do attitude. Is this the type of self-interest person we want in charge of our country?

As a side note, he could face a travel ban and be unable to enter the USA. Which would prove interesting for a potential future Prime Minister of Great Britain.

Find me one person, anywhere, ever, in the history of the world that hasn't said something hypocritical.

I want someone in charge of the country based on their current policies and principles, I couldn't care less if they took drugs 20 years ago.

Fair point about the USA travel ban but pretty sure we both know it wouldn't happen.

[Rev]

2 hours ago, dog said:

Interesting to see the Tory press beginning to turn on particular candidates. Wonder who tipped off the mail about Gove?

Exposé yesterday

More focused unpicking today

Who next?

Be interesting to see who it isn't.....

I bet it was Daily Mail columnist Sarah Vine.

Apparently she can't stand looking at his smug, punchable face any longer.

[Sith Happens]

2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

I find it all extremely sad.

Who cares what these people have done 20 or 30 years ago before they were even politicians? 

How does it affect what they are going to do in the future.

I think there should be a carpet ban on media outlets reporting on the politicians private lives.

Once again it's the mainstream media trying to tell everyone how to vote.

The decision should come down to politicians policies. 

I would have thought it's acceptable anyway to dismiss what someone did in their younger days, afterall we are told we shouldn't judge corbyn and abbott for championing terrorists in their younger days so smoking a bit of pot shouldnt really even make the news.