Fraser_23 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 The thing that really peed me off tonight was when the players are trying the impossible when it clearly isn't going to work, and there are better options elsewhere. For example, in the first half when Johnny Russell decided to volley a shot with his back, pretty much togoal, on his right foot, which ultimately ended up in Newcastle! Butterfield was screaming for it as he was actually in a decent position. Players need to stop being greedy and glory hunting and look up to find different options which could realistically lead to a goal.... Rant over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 I hope I'm wrong but I think we unfortunately learned a lot about how Rowett is going to set us up for the season. So buying a neck brace would probably be a wise purchase right about now..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Just now, Fraser_23 said: The thing that really peed me off tonight was when the players are trying the impossible when it clearly isn't going to work, and there are better options elsewhere. For example, in the first half when Johnny Russell decided to volley a shot with his back, pretty much togoal, on his right foot, which ultimately ended up in Newcastle! Butterfield was screaming for it as he was actually in a decent position. Players need to stop being greedy and glory hunting and look up to find different options which could realistically lead to a goal.... Rant over Yeah I noticed that as well, I think was a symptom of general bigger problem in that we were trying to force the play too much when we had the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDCAR Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 I'd have taken a point, end of. Well done lads.... bring on the Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, McLovin said: But they lost 4-3 though in the game he scored the hattrick, unless you mean the home game where the likes of Modric helped him a lot. Ha! Did they?? I remember it as though he scored a hat trick in the second leg and beat them all by himself... did that not happen? Ok fine, your point is valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 1 minute ago, brady1993 said: I agree with most of this, I feel your a little unfair on Martin but I see where your coming from. He had a few nice touches at times when he had the ball but the operative word is when. Martin has never and will never look good in a team with how we set up tonight with the ball mindlessly lumped up to him, little to no service and nobody providing supporting runs. I suppose, on balance, you are right. But l feared that without a few criticisms here and there l might have been in danger of becoming over supportive of our team, and l didn't want to stand out from the mob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 First game tough place to go decent point move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Just now, Parsnip said: Ha! Did they?? I remember it as though he scored a hat trick in the second leg and beat them all by himself... did that not happen? Ok fine, your point is valid. I don't blame you the way the English media were going on at the time . That was when they started saying he was better than messi and Ronaldo. Looks like Inter were 4-0 up before Bale stole the show in the second half. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/9102192.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Well done lads, tough first match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Ram Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Carson, 7, steady and a couple of excellent saves Fozzy, 5, pretty rusty; got skinned a few times and delivery was poor Davies, 7, steady, nothing special Keogh, 8, beast of a defender and the best CB at the club Wisdom, 7, iffy start but grew into the game, looks like he can deliver a good ball as well Huddelstone, 8, MOM for us. Beast of a player Johnson, 3, apart from the goal he was awful Butterfield, 2, the guy has lost his ability to play football Wieman, 5, everyone loves a trier, but he has no end product Russel, 5, frustrating; can be good but below average the majority of the time Martin, 7, didn't do much wrong Nugent, not enough time Vydra, 7, brilliant when he came on, added something we were missing Bryson, 7, great header back across the goal, needed more minutes That's my humble opinion, but we really need at least one winger and an attacking midfielder if we want to finish top 6. Can't see us anywhere near there if we don't improve the ACM and the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Fair result tbh. Some Derby fans are so embarrassed (Is there any need to abuse players on FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON?) f*** OFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 My view for what its worth. Butterfield & Johnson abysmal. No pressing, not showing for the ball VERY disappointing. Wisdom poor first half improved second half. Keogh very good. Martin did as well as possible considering the poor midfield. Glad Russell was on the pitch for his movement and showing for the ball and tracking back but Johnny PLEASE find a consistent end product. Weimann very poor, no effect on the game. Forsyth looks cumbersome...........hopefully just needs time to play himself back to form. Davies slowly improved from a slow start but still much to prove. Vydra....Must play next game. Conclusion: Goodbye Butterfield, Johnson & Weimann. Hello ?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, McLovin said: I don't blame you the way the English media were going on at the time . That was when they started saying he was better than messi and Ronaldo. Looks like Inter were 4-0 up before Bale stole the show in the second half. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/9102192.stm I'm pretty sure Rooney beat fernabache by himself - I watched that drunk in a bar in jakarta at stupid AM so could be wrong. And more recently Ronaldo definitely won the Euro final by himself from the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 15 minutes ago, hintonsboots said: Messi ? Rarely much use defensively. If they all tracked back, blocked runs, won headers, blocked passes, shots and crosses like him then he'd need to score even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: My view for what its worth. Butterfield & Johnson abysmal. No pressing, not showing for the ball VERY disappointing. Wisdom poor first half improved second half. Keogh very good. Martin did as well as possible considering the poor midfield. Glad Russell was on the pitch for his movement and showing for the ball and tracking back but Johnny PLEASE find a consistent end product. Weimann very poor, no effect on the game. Forsyth looks cumbersome...........hopefully just needs time to play himself back to form. Davies slowly improved from a slow start but still much to prove. Vydra....Must play next game. Conclusion: Goodbye Butterfield, Johnson & Weimann. Hello ?????? I would keep Johnson, I think he, Huddlestone and a creative player with energy might work well together, the 3 that played tonight are too similar really and none have the legs and pace that is needed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Parsnip said: I'm pretty sure Rooney beat fernabache by himself - I watched that drunk in a bar in jakarta at stupid AM. And more recently Ronaldo definitely won the Euro final by himself from the sidelines. Ronaldo's Mr scaredy pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 The tactic of hitting long balls from the back inevitably creates a scrappy game and by-passes midfield. I thought martin did ok - some nice lay offs - but faded butterfield and johnson not in it horrendous error from the pair of them almost cost us the game Wonderful save from carson But very little football from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 I think it's going to be a few weeks before we click. The starting eleven have only played together for two games (let's not forget that) with five of those players basically like new signings. Some of the elements were obvious, so why didn't Rowett try to develop partnerships or some sense of familiarity during pre-season? Keogh and Davies being the obvious one. They should have been playing alongside each other from day 1. It surprises me too that he has opted for a midfield three without Bryson - especially odd knowing how effectively he and Martin have played together in that set-up in the past. I don't think he'll scrap this eleven for a few weeks yet, mind you, unless results are impossible to stomach. He'll be thinking that it needs time to blossom. But it's clear that the gauntlet has been set down for Vydra, Nugent and Bryson and if they take their opportunities, something will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarrowRam Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Think a point was a fair result tonight. Need to get the midfield sorted out. Sunderland will be hard to beat at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Gypsy Ram said: Carson, 7, steady and a couple of excellent saves Fozzy, 5, pretty rusty; got skinned a few times and delivery was poor Davies, 7, steady, nothing special Keogh, 8, beast of a defender and the best CB at the club Wisdom, 7, iffy start but grew into the game, looks like he can deliver a good ball as well Huddelstone, 8, MOM for us. Beast of a player Johnson, 3, apart from the goal he was awful Butterfield, 2, the guy has lost his ability to play football Wieman, 5, everyone loves a trier, but he has no end product Russel, 5, frustrating; can be good but below average the majority of the time Martin, 7, didn't do much wrong Nugent, not enough time Vydra, 7, brilliant when he came on, added something we were missing Bryson, 7, great header back across the goal, needed more minutes That's my humble opinion, but we really need at least one winger and an attacking midfielder if we want to finish top 6. Can't see us anywhere near there if we don't improve the ACM and the wings. So you can give Bryson a score, who was on the pitch for less time than Nugent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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