Nuwtfly Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, Gypsy Ram said: Link please sir... http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04wyppf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Thing is though I don't think the way Mac set the team up was terrible, it has been plain to see the desire and determination is the issue here. Keogh can say what he likes but there is 26 thousand of us with eyes at the home games that can see the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 13 hours ago, davenportram said: Way to rewrite history SM was sacked because of himself first time. Clemeny went for reasons other than players moaning to Mel Wassall wasn't the fans choice Pearson left by mutual consent so out of the 5 changes only the most recent has been linked to players undermining the manager. . fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 On 13/03/2017 at 20:10, FrostedRam said: So it's fairly common knowledge we have a couple of bad eggs in the dressing room. Who at the drop of a hat go running to Morris and get managers the sack. In the opinion of the forum, who do we believe these players to be. As these have to be the first players out by Rowett. Only a couple? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Does anyone know why idiakez got the boot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeedsCityRam Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I don't buy this theory about 'bad eggs' in the dressing room & this being peculiar to Derby - you'll have model professionals, stirrers, mercenaries & lazy sods in every dressing room. The problem is simple - we have too many players & in a situation where only 11 of them can start at anyone time, a number of them will take umbrage at being excluded & obviously blame the manager's short sightedness rather than their contribution - its human nature. When you factor in that a lot of our new recruits have dropped down from Premier League level or were 'stars' at the Championship clubs they were recruited from & are mixing with players who were part of a successful side 3 years ago, the problem becomes even more obvious. Big cull needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 3 hours ago, Nuwtfly said: Have you guys listened to the Ed Dawes interview with Richard Keogh this morning? Gets his back right up when asked about player power. He became a right prickly bugger, though let it slip several times what the problem was - they were only giving 100%. What about the other 10, eh Keogh???? Bang to rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 37 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said: Does anyone know why idiakez got the boot? Probably not but im sure plenty of people 'think' they know why he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Statistically, it was the least the players had run all season - about the Brighton game - Mel Morris at the Supporters Meeting "Yeah, but i think it's unfair to say we weren't trying" - Keogh Call me unfair then, Richard. I am sick to death of people belittling people for saying there are bad eggs, because it's "assumptions". No. The only assumption is how many. *****. All you have to do is run. Run around a field that's been cut all nicely for you, sometimes in pretty patterns. The very ******* minimum you do is run. McClaren will not have told you to sit off in the first 10 minutes away from home against a team that could go top. To not close down, to not put a tackle in. To not shoot, to not ******* run! Funny that Gary made you do some running after training yesterday, isn't it - to the surprise of Ince? Maybe it was to complete what you should have done against ******* Brighton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 17 hours ago, davenportram said: Way to rewrite history SM was sacked because of himself first time. Clemeny went for reasons other than players moaning to Mel Wassall wasn't the fans choice Pearson was sacked because of results so out of the 5 changes only the most recent has been linked to players undermining the manager. . People will come to their own conclusions. My suggestion is that a common denominator might be worth considering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 1 hour ago, europia said: People will come to their own conclusions. My suggestion is that a common denominator might be worth considering. That the team isn't consistent enough to maintain results to secure promotion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 On 3/13/2017 at 20:10, FrostedRam said: So it's fairly common knowledge we have a couple of bad eggs in the dressing room. Who at the drop of a hat go running to Morris and get managers the sack. In the opinion of the forum, who do we believe these players to be. As these have to be the first players out by Rowett. Can't answer your question mate but would like to know who frosted you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverurie Ram Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 6 hours ago, Norman said: Statistically, it was the least the players had run all season - about the Brighton game - Mel Morris at the Supporters Meeting "Yeah, but i think it's unfair to say we weren't trying" - Keogh Call me unfair then, Richard. I am sick to death of people belittling people for saying there are bad eggs, because it's "assumptions". No. The only assumption is how many. *****. All you have to do is run. Run around a field that's been cut all nicely for you, sometimes in pretty patterns. The very ******* minimum you do is run. McClaren will not have told you to sit off in the first 10 minutes away from home against a team that could go top. To not close down, to not put a tackle in. To not shoot, to not ******* run! Funny that Gary made you do some running after training yesterday, isn't it - to the surprise of Ince? Maybe it was to complete what you should have done against ******* Brighton. I thought the possession table Sky put up in the build up to this Brighton game about SM's results this season at Derby, were quite interesting, where Derby had less possession in SM's first 13 games and Derby achieved a lot of wins compared to SM's last 13 games where Derby didn't have many wins but had more possession, but clearly did #### all with it. Sky didn't say ####, but that's what they meant in there own entertaining manner. They didn't put up a running table, probably thought with Hughes and Bryson on the bench, and Bent up front, that they'd be better off throwing a white cloth over the table and asking Derby fans to take a seat, like there players, relax, enjoy the rest, order a nice bottle of wine or 3 and get slaughtered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 2 hours ago, 86 points said: Can't answer your question mate but would like to know who frosted you? Kieran lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 On 13 March 2017 at 20:12, Paul71 said: Humpty Dumpty is one. But did he fall or was he pushed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 8 hours ago, Norman said: Statistically, it was the least the players had run all season - about the Brighton game - Mel Morris at the Supporters Meeting "Yeah, but i think it's unfair to say we weren't trying" - Keogh Call me unfair then, Richard. I am sick to death of people belittling people for saying there are bad eggs, because it's "assumptions". No. The only assumption is how many. *****. All you have to do is run. Run around a field that's been cut all nicely for you, sometimes in pretty patterns. The very ******* minimum you do is run. McClaren will not have told you to sit off in the first 10 minutes away from home against a team that could go top. To not close down, to not put a tackle in. To not shoot, to not ******* run! Funny that Gary made you do some running after training yesterday, isn't it - to the surprise of Ince? Maybe it was to complete what you should have done against ******* Brighton. Playing 424 away at Brighton is bad management not bad eggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 On 3/14/2017 at 09:44, Angry Ram said: I can't believe this thread has got to 9 pages.. It has to be one of the most boring threads since watching a Clement home match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archied Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 The question of player power has grown since bosman to the extents we see now , it will and has changed the way managers and owners have to manage , ultimately the qualities needed to succeed remain the same , as a manager you need the personality to get and keep players attention and respect to the point where they believe in you and will run through walls for you , but a firm eye has to be kept on the dressing room and bad attitude has to be nipped in the bud by shipping players out fast ( that needs trust and communication between manager and owners) because if it spreads there's no way back for the manager no matter how good a manager he is because of the financial impact on the clubs ,, gone are the days when a manager can come out and be honest when a player or players are letting the club down by not putting the right attitude and effort in , managers have to be a lot cleverer and a bit more underhand ,,, sad but that's the way it is now ,, just ask Jose or raniari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnsley ram Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 4 hours ago, archied said: The question of player power has grown since bosman to the extents we see now , it will and has changed the way managers and owners have to manage , ultimately the qualities needed to succeed remain the same , as a manager you need the personality to get and keep players attention and respect to the point where they believe in you and will run through walls for you , but a firm eye has to be kept on the dressing room and bad attitude has to be nipped in the bud by shipping players out fast ( that needs trust and communication between manager and owners) because if it spreads there's no way back for the manager no matter how good a manager he is because of the financial impact on the clubs ,, gone are the days when a manager can come out and be honest when a player or players are letting the club down by not putting the right attitude and effort in , managers have to be a lot cleverer and a bit more underhand ,,, sad but that's the way it is now ,, just ask Jose or raniari surely chairmen make the appointment so in theory should back the manager, but they they expect instant results and if they dont get them they make the manager the scapegoat never heard a chairman apologise for hiring the wrong manager have you. just shows the arrogance of these chairmen no names no packdrill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 57 minutes ago, barnsley ram said: surely chairmen make the appointment so in theory should back the manager, but they they expect instant results and if they dont get them they make the manager the scapegoat never heard a chairman apologise for hiring the wrong manager have you. just shows the arrogance of these chairmen no names no packdrill! When was the last time you heard anyone at the top of an organisation apologise for making a mistake?. Football clubs are no different to any other business or political party, come to that. If Mel apologised, all it would to would be to give more fuel to the haters and trolls. The fans who appreciate the gesture would probably be the ones who would support him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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