Curtains Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Just now, eddie said: I'm sorry, but please make up your bloody minds. Either Vydra is the worst player ever or Camara is. They can't both be. At least you're not trying to destroy Keogh today, so that's something, I suppose. Hysterical bunch. Still happy with McClaren then because you wanted him back so badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, curtains said: You seem to be very defensive of the owners David . We are fans that want success for DCFC. The owners have got it wrong haven't they because if they had got it right we would be in the Premier League with Bournemouth,Burnley and Watford etc PS Vydra has got to up his game along with other players for us to get promoted. Because I've defended Hanson and Vydra this morning? You know I'm a fan as well right and I also want success and it's not hard to find critical posts from me on here, see the Martin thread for example. We're told Pearson bought into the 4-3-3 dream yet Martin was loaned out and Vydra signed. I will always back my manager 100% and that's great, but sometimes you need to say stop, explain this one to me. Vydra has been poor, very poor, I wouldn't name him in my starting 11, I would struggle to find a place for him on the bench. I'm not however going to publically call the guy out by saying I don't want to see him in a Derby shirt again. I do find it interesting however the owners can be berated for being trigger happy, not just at Derby yet fans are so quick to completely discard players. He's been here 4 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, eddie said: I'm sorry, but please make up your bloody minds. Either Vydra is the worst player ever or Camara is. They can't both be. At least you're not trying to destroy Keogh today, so that's something, I suppose. Hysterical bunch. Next thread will be Derbys worst 4 players, but which order? Vydra Camara Keogh Mick Coop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, David said: Because I've defended Hanson and Vydra this morning? You know I'm a fan as well right and I also want success and it's not hard to find critical posts from me on here, see the Martin thread for example. Vydra has been poor, very poor, I wouldn't name him in my starting 11, I would struggle to find a place for him on the bench. I'm not however going to publically call the guy out by saying I don't want to see him in a Derby shirt again. I do find it interesting however the owners can be berated for being trigger happy, not just at Derby yet fans are so quick to completely discard players. He's been here 4 months. I like Vydra and I agree with you he shouldn't be singled out at all as he has had very little game time from McClaren. This is forum for views though and the owners and manager and players get praise from me as well on here. They also get constructive criticism as well from me. Last nights performance was very poor and it is interesting to dissect what went wrong. Playing slowly from the back does seem a problem that Pearson got critised for and is still happening occasionally under McClaren so is it something the players do on their own or is it coached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Gritters said: Next thread will be Derbys worst 4 players, but which order? Vydra Camara Keogh Mick Coop. Beck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 13 hours ago, Belle vue ram said: Players no doubt read all this. Don't slate them I don't think Vydra does. His wife does his twitter posts for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I do think that this was a thread that shouldn't have been posted...agree that criticism of vydra is due and I've given plenty myself but saying he should never wear the shirt again was wrong....the lad has to be given the opportunity to improve and or adapt over a period of time and that's down to the gaffer to decide......I'm not convinced that it will happen in the time he will be given but I would love to be proven wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 13 hours ago, Belle vue ram said: Players no doubt read all this. Don't slate them Provided the criticism is fair and reasonable then there is nothing wrong with airing it on forums like this. If players do indeed visit these sites (I doubt it personally) then they must surely expect a slating after a poor performance. They are very highly paid individuals working in a very public entertainment industry and public criticism is the price they pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram a lamb a ding dong Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 GET OFF HANSON'S BACK.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: ...I'm not convinced that it will happen in the time he will be given but I would love to be proven wrong. Well we can't move him on yet, so how much time will he need? He knows he's going nowhere and I reckon was chosen (instead of SJR or Weimann) by Mac last night to up his confidence but he again offered v little. - edit: offered nowt really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I don't like berating players for making mistakes, they happen and that is why they are playing for a Championship. No problem with attitude and effort being criticised, and for me Vydra was just going through the motions last night. He might be being played out of position but so is Jamie Hanson and that does not affect his effort. Don't remember Vydra putting one of their defenders under any pressure last night. Just seemed to be jogging around at his own leisure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam the Ram Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 20 minutes ago, curtains said: I like Vydra and I agree with you he shouldn't be singled out at all as he has had very little game time from McClaren. This is forum for views though and the owners and manager and players get praise from me as well on here. They also get constructive criticism as well from me. Last nights performance was very poor and it is interesting to dissect what went wrong. Playing slowly from the back does seem a problem that Pearson got critised for and is still happening occasionally under McClaren so is it something the players do on their own or is it coached. There's a difference between criticising a player and saying 'I never want him to play for Derby again,' like Rammieib has done. Twitter gets mocked on here regularly for being filled with trolls and keyboard warriors .... well it's not much different on here. We've got the trolls who come on and make up transfer stories for a little attention and then the keyboard warriors who regularly put players down with stupid statements like the one in this thread title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 He is very poor and should never play for us again. That's a statement that has been made about: Keogh Christie Baird Olssonn Butterfield Johnson Weimann Vydra Camara Blackman Anya Bryson Bent Martin Russell Hanson Grant And I'm sure many others. And those who haven't had the a claim I'm sure will have it some time. Now, I don't think Vydra is a bad player, I think he's not the right player. Might not have performed last night (wasn't there) but the whole "never wear the shirt" thing seems an over reaction. From the ever reliable radio team, didn't seem to me that he was any worse than razza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam the Ram Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: He is very poor and should never play for us again. That's a statement that has been made about: Keogh Christie Baird Olssonn Butterfield Johnson Weimann Vydra Camara Blackman Anya Bryson Bent Martin Russell Hanson Grant And I'm sure many others. And those who haven't had the a claim I'm sure will have it some time. Now, I don't think Vydra is a bad player, I think he's not the right player. Might not have performed last night (wasn't there) but the whole "never wear the shirt" thing seems an over reaction. From the ever reliable radio team, didn't seem to me that he was any worse than razza. Nope, he wasn't. You could take nearly all of the comments made about Vydra and apply them to everyone who played yesterday apart from Carson and Ince and there'd be very little arguments. And most of them had the full 90 minutes to improve and weren't being played out of position (other than Hanson). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waffle Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Vydra will come good with the right players around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 And if he doesn't get put out wide!! Stevie macs plan b is always playing people out of position! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil62uk Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Gritters said: Next thread will be Derbys worst 4 players, but which order? Vydra Camara Keogh Mick Coop. please dont forget Roy Greenwood , Barry Powell , Francois Grenet , Mikkel Beck ..ok i.ll shut up now the list could get endless and the thought of the names ive just mentioned sends me nauseous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucktwo Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Davis Beck Coop Emson Barry powell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 32 minutes ago, neil62uk said: please dont forget Roy Greenwood , Barry Powell , Francois Grenet , Mikkel Beck ..ok i.ll shut up now the list could get endless and the thought of the names ive just mentioned sends me nauseous Here goes 1. Beck 2. Greenwood 3. Powell 4. Grenet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil62uk Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Gritters said: Here goes 1. Beck 2. Greenwood 3. Powell 4. Grenet. Ouch nauseous bout bought on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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