Mostyn6 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 cannot understand why people are being so pissy and sensitive about this. Go and have a look at the prediction thread, and all the doom and gloom "if Shackell is out, we are doomed!" type comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I like him. Funny and as good as both Jamie's. I think if I'd lost half of my footballing knowledge and change my name to Ollie or Jamie, I'd have good future as a pundit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I quite like the bloke, and regarding the Boro prediction, he's only saying what (I'm guessing here) about 80% of Derby fans will be saying in the match thread. Edit: If you agree, give Mostyn the 'like' - he said it first ^^^^^. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraH Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I don't think he "hates" Derby, well i've not seen any evidence of it. However what i have seen evidence of is how crap he is on Sky as a 'pundit'. Just terrible and doesn't seem to know when to stop talking, i often wonder if he's had a drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 He does come out with some tripe, in fact I'd even say he predicts more garbage than not, but he's got this one spot on for me. Middlesbrough are in great form and I'd be ridiculously surprised to see us get all three points this weekend. I have seen in one form or another seven away games this season - Wednesday, Leeds, Forest, Bolton, Portsmouth, MK Dons, Hull - and we've not yet put in a really good performance IMO. The Hull game was a great result, don't get me wrong, but the performance wasn't outstanding. I said during the Leeds game that, aside from the Bristol City game, we haven't touched the heights of last season. However, we haven't experienced the lows. We're a much, much smarter and well drilled side but we certainly don't look as good IMO. Middlesbrough have seen off Burnley, Ipswich, Brighton and Sheffield Wednesday in four of the last five games and have the home advantage. As I said, I'd be stunned if we were to pick up all three points. I'd snap your hand off for a point now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 The thing that irritates me with pundits is the way they decide on what the story is and then try to make events fit it to justify them. e.g. Hendrick scores a very good goal v Leeds "that's the expensive squad Derby have spent the money on x eleventy" They all do it. The media and pundits in general don't seem to credit or like Derby County very much but there's no pint in getting up tight about it. Most fas of other teams have a decent idea of us and excepting a few clubs are pretty reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Games like this are often decided by unusual incidents eg some team scoring against Boro. Boro are better than us but Clement is crafty. He will have a cunning plan. Good practice for a Premiership game, this one, to see how we perform when we are expected to lose. Hoping for 1 - 1 but 1 - 0 is more likely. Long range shooting is the key for us. It will be interesting to see if any Rams players go missing. Tom Ince could be the surprise package on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozza Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 He's full of character , there's a lot of managers i wouldn't want here , before i wouldn't want him , should the case arise , which i hope it don't .. if you know what i mean .. He's a chippy anorl .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram1964 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 21 minutes ago, mozza said: He's full of character , there's a lot of managers i wouldn't want here , before i wouldn't want him , should the case arise , which i hope it don't .. if you know what i mean .. He's a chippy anorl .. Personally think the guy is a complete PR+ck did well at Plymouth and Blackpool and became popular for voicing opinions which at the time werer often humerus and a breath of fresh air now just drivells tripe at any opportunity ,after his spell as palace manager surprised he is employable in any role remotely related to football other than cleaning the bogs and as for any role at Derby I wouldn't trust him to manage a mop and bucket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 5 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: What are people expecting him to say just out of interest? I have Ram tinted glasses and hope for a point at best! I expect to lose, completely. It's more the manner he says it and the fact he thinks we're going to lose every game. "I can't see them doing it with the way they play". etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Holloway doesn't dislike us, he's purposely controversial and it seems that to be a Sky Sports pundit you have to follow this strict rule. Redknapp/Henry/Souness - they're all the same. The purposely spout garbage in order to draw debate. By saying the logical things, they aren't really creating anything newsworthy therefore people wouldn't read it. Who in their right mind would predict Bristol City to beat Derby. Last weekend, he predicted Sheffield Wednesday to beat Middlesbrough. Have you seen Wednesday's away record? Logic pointed to home wins on both occasions, but logic doesn't attract debate. Holloway's prediction for Boro vs Derby is pretty much what I'd go with, but the way he says it purposely draws debate. Deep down I bet he doesn't believe what he is saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 2 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Holloway doesn't dislike us, he's purposely controversial and it seems that to be a Sky Sports pundit you have to follow this strict rule. Redknapp/Henry/Souness - they're all the same. The purposely spout garbage in order to draw debate. By saying the logical things, they aren't really creating anything newsworthy therefore people wouldn't read it. Who in their right mind would predict Bristol City to beat Derby. Last weekend, he predicted Sheffield Wednesday to beat Middlesbrough. Have you seen Wednesday's away record? Logic pointed to home wins on both occasions, but logic doesn't attract debate. Holloway's prediction for Boro vs Derby is pretty much what I'd go with, but the way he says it purposely draws debate. Deep down I bet he doesn't believe what he is saying. Wouldn't the controversial thing be to predict a Derby win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Provided we don't have any daft exaggerated goalkeeping and provided shackell is fit, there's no reason why we should not win this. they have a superb defensive record, two holding midfielders to protect the back four, and they are very dangerous from corners. but we have butterfield, thorne and johnson who can all hit the target from 25 yards. Plus ince and russell to run directly at them. Johnson is threat from corners. It should be as tight as a nun's chuff, but it could go either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 22 minutes ago, RamNut said: Provided we don't have any daft exaggerated goalkeeping and provided shackell is fit, there's no reason why we should not win this. they have a superb defensive record, two holding midfielders to protect the back four, and they are very dangerous from corners. but we have butterfield, thorne and johnson who can all hit the target from 25 yards. Plus ince and russell to run directly at them. Johnson is threat from corners. It should be as tight as a nun's chuff, but it could go either way. Isn't it a gnats chuff and as dry as a nuns?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 27 minutes ago, SaintRam said: Wouldn't the controversial thing be to predict a Derby win? These lot have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simsdcfc Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 We will be lucky to get a point ... unless they have a nye hang over that lasts 2 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssendonRam Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 5 hours ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: Didn't he say the same about Hull away and look what happened. Lol. Exactly the comparison. Many pundits, not just Holloway, thought Hull would prove too much for us and the boys set themselves and beat Hull quite convincingly. I have a great deal of admiration for how Boro have played this season. In many ways, they're tracking the same way as us. Started slowly and worked their way into second gear. While I am expecting a very tight, almost risk-averse, match between us and Boro (from both sides), I have the same feeling that we'll step up to take them on. That said, I think both sides still have gears in hand and I doubt anyone knows which club has more in reserve just yet. I'm not suggesting that we'll knock them over the way we did Hull but I do expect we'll give a good account of ourselves. I just hope Granty takes his anti-anxiety pills though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 3 hours ago, SaintRam said: I expect to lose, completely. It's more the manner he says it and the fact he thinks we're going to lose every game. "I can't see them doing it with the way they play". etc. Did he not say we like to play football through the middle? I'm sure he does not expect us to lose every game we play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 2 hours ago, Gritters said: Isn't it a gnats chuff and as dry as a nuns?? Apologies i need to experience more chuffs, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 28 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Did he not say we like to play football through the middle? I'm sure he does not expect us to lose every game we play. Taken from WhoScored, our positional stats for the season suggest differently: 35% Left hand side 26% middle 38% right hand side Shows perfectly how much he knows about us http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/20/Statistics/England-Derby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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