jimbobram Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 He's not that special. I would rather have Craig Forsyth any day and he cost next to nowt. We can find another right back no bother. But if we get promoted and want Wisdom we will be able to afford him and Liverpool would let him go. No way is he good enough for them What do you not like about him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I'd love get Wisdom snapped up. I don't think we'll be the only team interested though. A team with more financial clout is bound to be interested, whether it's Leicester, Cardiff or even the dogs down the road. When he signed Sam Rush revealed he was one of the top 10 earners in the whole division, another reason to why I think he won't be a Derby player next season (unless he is a loan signing) I'm optimistic to what the board can supply McClaren with, however, I won't get my hopes up. Especially if we're a Championship team once again next season. It's wait and see for me, the only loan player I am confident of being here next season is Bamford. Largely because Chelsea will not sell, and he will undoubtedly be made available for a loan again. Agreed. I get the feeling despite him having enjoyed a really good season here if another club offered him a better financial package then he wouldn't give us a second thought. We stand a better chance with him if he was on loan again. I like Wisdom he's had a good season and done well for us, but he isn't a key player in the way that Thorne is. There are other RB's out there who are as good and probably cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Daly Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I just sort of agree with the last paragraph in Ramarena's post Jimbo. Its not that I don't like or rate him I of course I do and I'd like to keep him if we could. But I don't think he's worth breaking the bank over that's all. He would cost us a fortune in fee and wages. As I said, I think Forsyth is just as good now, if not better and he cost and costs very little. To be fair to Wisdom though he is still only young and clearly will end up a very good player It all depends on money. If we only have enough to buy Thorne that's where I would prioritise same as Ramarena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I like him more now than I did 12 games ago but I'm still honestly not convinced. I don't know though, if I'm maybe viewing him slightly negatively cos he's not one of ours. Yes he's strong, yes there are times when he makes defending look comically easy but.... He's also very susceptible to the ball inside and he defends on the back foot. Yes he can get forward and occasionally put in a world class cross but.... he doesn't do it often enough and usually only in games when we're rally on top. He's alos quite pedestrian at times with the ball at his feet and often slows down our attacks. So yes he's strong as an ox, yes he's got very good games in him but I think he lacks that bit of drive. Not for me. Not at right back anyway. I'd prefer to see Brayford back bombing on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams_man Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I would sign him up and play him at CB, his prefered position. Thats where his skills will be better used. If we was going to buy him as our RB then i think we could get better for less money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I we do go up then we'll be doing a lot more defending. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMuffin Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Maybe it's part of the macs plan to not have both full backs bombing on leaving the CBS exposed. Forsyth almost plays as a winger which is a feature of how we're playing he's become a big weapon in the left side. So it's like we're playing with 3 at the back at times. We seem to be doing ok with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Maybe it's part of the macs plan to not have both full backs bombing on leaving the CBS exposed. Forsyth almost plays as a winger which is a feature of how we're playing he's become a big weapon in the left side. So it's like we're playing with 3 at the back at times. We seem to be doing ok with this. This is dead right. Don't know where I read it now but Mac/Simmo said something along those lines. That after the Birmingham game they felt they were too open and therefore only wanted one full back pushing forward, predominantly Fozzy. This is why quite frequently we see Wisdom stopping and passing inside or down the wing instead of bombing forward. Just playing to orders I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Maybe it's part of the macs plan to not have both full backs bombing on leaving the CBS exposed. Forsyth almost plays as a winger which is a feature of how we're playing he's become a big weapon in the left side. So it's like we're playing with 3 at the back at times. We seem to be doing ok with this.The majority of the top teams do this, 1 attcking FB and 1 defensive minded FB helps keep a better balance at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Don't forget people, that Andre is only 21. Still has a lot to learn, and can still improve. Sign him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Ram Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 People saying Forsyth is a much Better fully back, wisdom isn't attack minded and can't do anything with the ball, well you forgetting wisdom is a natural cb not rb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 People saying Forsyth is a much Better fully back, wisdom isn't attack minded and can't do anything with the ball, well you forgetting wisdom is a natural cb not rb And that's the point really. It makes no sense to pay big money for a centre back, only to play him out of position, where he's really not suited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford ram Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I like Wisdom, would be interesting to know the win percentage from before and then after he's played. He's been solid and un ruffled and his calm confidence seems to have spread. People go on about Thorne, and I agree he's a good player for us, but how many games has he played compared to Andre . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I like Wisdom, would be interesting to know the win percentage from before and then after he's played. He's been solid and un ruffled and his calm confidence seems to have spread. People go on about Thorne, and I agree he's a good player for us, but how many games has he played compared to Andre . Not enough mate , he is so much better than Eustace should have been in the side sooner IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Not enough mate , he is so much better than Eustace should have been in the side sooner IMHO. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. When did Eustace ever give McClaren reason to drop him? He didn't - Thorne got in because of Eustace's suspension - and he grasped his opportunity with both hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Hindsight is a wonderful thing. When did Eustace ever give McClaren reason to drop him? He didn't - Thorne got in because of Eustace's suspension - and he grasped his opportunity with both hands. The beauty of real competition for places! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 I like Wisdom, would be interesting to know the win percentage from before and then after he's played. He's been solid and un ruffled and his calm confidence seems to have spread. People go on about Thorne, and I agree he's a good player for us, but how many games has he played compared to Andre . Exactly what my scouse neighbour said when Mac brought him in. 'He'll do a good job for you, very impressed, unfussy player'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezram Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Played well yesterday, but they all did, would like him here permanently but with Liverpool's increased games next season and him being home grown, sadly I don't think it will happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 I'd say the next logical step for him is regular prem football. So that's us out. God, this hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezram Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 If he can wait another year, he'll get it here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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