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Do you think Warne is making signings for 4-5 years in the future? 
Who are the players he has signed who are the foundation of this future squad? 
I think Warne was brought in as a promotion expert and everything he is doing screams short-term results. Only he isn't getting the short-term results. 
It's true everything takes time. Given enough time some things get slower better. But, equally, given enough time some things get slowly worse. The key thing for fans is that we can see some signs of progress to give us confidence things are getting slowly better, not slowly worse. I am not seeing that at the moment. 
You could say - about any manager starting at a club in relative disarray - that they need time to get where they want to be, and given time they will do so. Sometimes that will be right. But often it will be wrong.  So the question is whether we are on the right path. What are the signs that we are? Is it the players that have been brought in under Warne? Coherent tactics that will clearly deliver results, if only we get the right blend of players? I don't see any of that.
Nigel Pearson could claim that if only he'd been given more time his vision would have become clear and everything would have been great. Maybe that's true. But based on the evidence we could see, probably it wasn't. We were right to move on. 
I hope Warne comes good but he needs to show something better and soon 

It didn't take Mac 4 to 5 years to get us playing nice stuff ?
He took over a side that was predominantly possesion type players the same Warne did , the difference is Mac tweaked it and got us scoring more and playing better.
Warne has come in and not got us playing better, this is my point, why appoint a manager who doesn't play similarly to what we had in our squad, nothing wrong with getting us fitter but I still think a good manager/coach who likes to play football on the grass would've got this team firing and what i mean by that is...playing more cohesively and controlling games more.
We are no more in control of a game whether playing Bolton a top side in this division or a Fleetwood who aren't 

He's a lover not a fighter, apparently. 😉

Watched another 10 minute highlight video for nothing, sick of being a football fan 

It won't be us then, we've got a name

Bet Clowes is wishing he’d just bought Rotherham

It looks like we've moved into a back 5 with those changes

Of all the positions we need. Get a bit more budget. Go sign a rIght back 🤣

1).  Yes absolutely, otherwise we've got some sort of cult on our hands, rather than a football club. I'm sure Clowes is a man than can handle some people disagreeing with the decisions he makes. 
2).  As soon as he took over in my opinion. You don't want the top decision maker in any club or business surrounded by an echo-chamber where ever thought they have is automatically beyond reproach. 
3).  I have my doubts about Warne, and the style of football his teams play. But I think we should all give him this season and see where we are then.
Clowes is the man that saved Derby County.  He's got that in the bag forever.  I'd expect that everyone on the forum is still grateful to him. However an owner of a football club being beyond criticism would surely be a unhealthy situation for any club to be in. I'm guessing, but I don't even think that is what Clowes would want. The fact that we might respectfully criticize a decision our owner makes, doesn't mean we are less grateful for what he has done, it just means that we still care about the direction our club is going in.  

Surely it's possible to be eternally grateful to Clowes for his actions in saving the club and at the same time have some questions or reservations about the way he runs that club? These are quite distinct. However well or badly Clowes runs the club, it won't affect my gratitude for him saving it. Equally, however grateful I am for him saving the club, it won't affect my assessment of the way he runs it. 
I don't see why it's somehow disrespectful to discuss the way the club is being run - choice of manager, budget, etc.
It's a football forum. We have to be able to discuss Clowes the chairman as well as Clowes the saviour.

Surely it's possible to be eternally grateful to Clowes for his actions in saving the club and at the same time have some questions or reservations about the way he runs that club? These are quite distinct. However well or badly Clowes runs the club, it won't affect my gratitude for him saving it. Equally, however grateful I am for him saving the club, it won't affect my assessment of the way he runs it. 
I don't see why it's somehow disrespectful to discuss the way the club is being run - choice of manager, budget, etc.
It's a football forum. We have to be able to discuss Clowes the chairman as well as Clowes the saviour.

Surely it's possible to be eternally grateful to Clowes for his actions in saving the club and at the same time have some questions or reservations about the way he runs that club? These are quite distinct. However well or badly Clowes runs the club, it won't affect my gratitude for him saving it. Equally, however grateful I am for him saving the club, it won't affect my assessment of the way he runs it. 
I don't see why it's somehow disrespectful to discuss the way the club is being run - choice of manager, budget, etc.
It's a football forum. We have to be able to discuss Clowes the chairman as well as Clowes the saviour.

Surely it's possible to be eternally grateful to Clowes for his actions in saving the club and at the same time have some questions or reservations about the way he runs that club? These are quite distinct. However well or badly Clowes runs the club, it won't affect my gratitude for him saving it. Equally, however grateful I am for him saving the club, it won't affect my assessment of the way he runs it. 
I don't see why it's somehow disrespectful to discuss the way the club is being run - choice of manager, budget, etc.
It's a football forum. We have to be able to discuss Clowes the chairman as well as Clowes the saviour.

Surely it's possible to be eternally grateful to Clowes for his actions in saving the club and at the same time have some questions or reservations about the way he runs that club? These are quite distinct. However well or badly Clowes runs the club, it won't affect my gratitude for him saving it. Equally, however grateful I am for him saving the club, it won't affect my assessment of the way he runs it. 
I don't see why it's somehow disrespectful to discuss the way the club is being run - choice of manager, budget, etc.
It's a football forum. We have to be able to discuss Clowes the chairman as well as Clowes the saviour.

Surely it's possible to be eternally grateful to Clowes for his actions in saving the club and at the same time have some questions or reservations about the way he runs that club? These are quite distinct. However well or badly Clowes runs the club, it won't affect my gratitude for him saving it. Equally, however grateful I am for him saving the club, it won't affect my assessment of the way he runs it. 
I don't see why it's somehow disrespectful to discuss the way the club is being run - choice of manager, budget, etc.
It's a football forum. We have to be able to discuss Clowes the chairman as well as Clowes the saviour.

Surely it's possible to be eternally grateful to Clowes for his actions in saving the club and at the same time have some questions or reservations about the way he runs that club? These are quite distinct. However well or badly Clowes runs the club, it won't affect my gratitude for him saving it. Equally, however grateful I am for him saving the club, it won't affect my assessment of the way he runs it. 
I don't see why it's somehow disrespectful to discuss the way the club is being run - choice of manager, budget, etc.
It's a football forum. We have to be able to discuss Clowes the chairman as well as Clowes the saviour.

So why sign Nelson and Bradley? When there's Fozzy and Rooney for cover.
Why sign Wilson and Ward? When again Rooney or Bardell could cover.
Did we need to sign Vickers, or could Loach and an U21 cover?
It's how you spend your budget.
Why sign no pace? No CDM?

Errr because it affects who we sign and sell and how we perform and play. I agree with that view the minute I enter the ground, but in between it's what forums are for.   

Perhaps you could explain?
Attack (goal threat, pace and creativity) and midfield (mobility and power) were clear priorities for recruitment this summer.
We then lost our main source of attacking creativity and our main goal threat. So those priorities only became more pressing. 
We had a reasonable (if limited) budget.
We spent it all on wing backs, central defenders, and strikers with no real pace and no real creativity.
This was a bad mistake.
What's the flaw exactly? 

Perhaps you could explain?
Attack (goal threat, pace and creativity) and midfield (mobility and power) were clear priorities for recruitment this summer.
We then lost our main source of attacking creativity and our main goal threat. So those priorities only became more pressing. 
We had a reasonable (if limited) budget.
We spent it all on wing backs, central defenders, and strikers with no real pace and no real creativity.
This was a bad mistake.
What's the flaw exactly? 

Also shows how much difference one really smart skilful forward can make 

Roberts, Knight and McGoldrick are better than anything signed this summer.
Dobbin to a certain extent too, just for his pace.
 

We're not three games in though. We are nearly 12 months in to Warne and we've been getting steadily worse since last winter. We finished last season poorly and we've started this one in even worse shape. It's not an isolated three match blip.

Only Chris Powell, nobody important.

The problem for me is I just don't see where the improvement comes from. If Warne stays this system stays - the formation, the 'tactics'. He's recruited entirely around playing exactly this way, spending the money we had on wing backs and central defenders (with Washington added to do no one-knows-what, and Waghorn as an afterthought). He doesn't seem to notice the glaring deficiencies in our midfield, because the midfield doesn't seem to feature much in his thinking about how the game should be played. He doesn't seem to notice the lack of pace or guile because they also don't feature in his 'lump it up, get it wide, corners and free kicks and the big man in the middle' blueprint. 
A lot of us were willing to pinch our noses and accept maybe Warne knew something we didn't. Maybe the quickest route out of League One really was telling a bunch of grizzled old lower-division veterans to whack the ball forwards and hope something happens. 
The problem is - if this method doesn't work, Warne doesn't seem capable of trying anything else. 
So we are left with these tactics, and this squad, and all we can really do is hope to find a couple of loans who can help address the massive deficiencies on show again tonight.