Loughborough Ram

Initially when Warne was suggested I doubted that he was an upgrade on Rosenior, but so many people on here said I was bonkers I thought, "well I must be". So I felt it was reasonable to get behind him as he seemed a nice bloke, and his track record suggested, that I probably was bonkers.

I've always thought that a managers style is dictated by the players at his disposal so I wasn't worried by his perceived style, as it was shaped during his time at a 'small' club, with a very modest budget. I thought,  give him time and resources and he may well change his ethos organically.

During last season there were a few difficult days but far more positive ones, offering signs that, .given a fair opportunity by referees, and some reasonable fortune with injuries, we could easily have been in contention through the play offs.

Going into the summer I thought that with some reasonable recruitment and a good pre season, we would have a great opportunity to fight for an automatic promotion spot, and certainly, recruitment was possibly better than I expected. We bought in players that barely anybody on here questioned, and the pre season games suggested that Warne finally had his team, his system and his philosophy. 

We started the season with more than our fair share of bad luck on the injury side, but even taking that into consideration our start has been disappointing to say the least, so I'm afraid that I've crossed to the dark side, because I think that we have passed the point of no return, where I don't think he can turn this around. Results are faltering, supporters are showing their displeasure at the games and players are being drawn into direct arguments with the fans.

I expected 2 things when Warne came in, a super fit squad, that pressed all over the field, and a clear message to the players of what is expected of them individually and as a team. 12 months into the job and I don't think we have either of those currently, so you have to ask, if not after 12 months then when?

I wouldn't stand chanting outside the ground for him to go, because i actually still think hes a decent bloke, but I think that if we can afford it we have to take plunge. If we we don't the financial implications could be far greater than taking a hit now.

1 hour ago, IlsonDerby said:

Except Portsmouth and Bolton who played to beat us and we beat neither. 

There are always going to be exceptions but surely the original point is unarguable.

I'd give us a chance against anybody in this league if both teams are going for a win, but that is rarely the case in this league where we are seen, rightly or wrongly, as the biggest scalp.

Quite simply, we can beat teams that try and win the game against us, but we struggle against teams that are happy to take a point. I guess Paul Warne has never had to deal with this as his experience is at Rotherham, a team that everybody tries to beat. Against Derby in league 1, a point is always seen as a good result, whether that's home or away.

So unless he can work out a way to change this it's hard to see how he can turn results around.

Maybe he's the wrong man at the wrong club, it happens.

I think that the best way to look at this is whether a manager, like Warnock for example, would achieve better results with our current squad. Increasingly I believe that he would.

There are absolutely no guarantees when you change managers but sometimes it just seems inevitable that it's not going to work for a manager at a certain club. I think that's probably where we are now.

I thought that England were tactically spot on but unfortunately we didn't have a handful of giants and beasts to bring on at the end.

Unfortunately I always feel that Sinclar is a penalty waiting to happen, both in and out of the scrum

Having said that the England players should be proud of what they've achieved in this world cup

4 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

3 points off 4rd place and 4 points off 3rd are not positives.

Your including a 0-0 draw at home to cambridge utd and an embarrassing draw against a cheltenham side that hadn't scored a goal all season as positives? 

So that really just leaves players coming back from injury as the only real positive....hence why we're so grumpy😅

I refer you to my first post

9 minutes ago, Stockport Ram said:

 

Are our current crop actually worse than some of the late 70’s / early 80’s dross brought in by the Doc et al?

Absolutely not. Billy Caskey, Roy Greenwood, Vic Moreland and Aiden McCaffery, plus a handful of others that weren't even good enough to become a bad memory will go down as one of our worst ever teams. Yes they were operating in the top division but that had nothing to do with their ability, it was all down to the achievements of the great players that preceded them

9 hours ago, Chris_Martin said:

what are those positives?

5 games unbeaten

3 points off 4rd place, 4 points off 3rd, with a game in hand on both of those teams.

Players coming back from injury.

That's just off the top of my head.

It's so much easier to be grumpy and find negative in anything than it is to focus on the positives.

Also negativity is always right in the end, Paul Warne will inevitably sacked in the future, so some people think "why put the effort in", "if good things come along, it's a bonus, but if it all turns to s**t, I was right all along"

2 minutes ago, DiggerB said:

I’m trying, god knows I’m trying!

Any effort is appreciated

I don't really contribute much these days because the forum lacks fun.

If there are one or two threads regarding the manager and the performances then it's easy to ignore, if you want to, but looking at half a dozen threads with slightly different wording while essentially saying exactly the same thing is off putting in my opinion. 

I'm somewhere in the middle when it comes to the manager, but I'm definitely on the side of those that think the current state of this forum, due to the over the top negativity, is not the best.

Fair play to them, they keep managing to pick up points while having barely any possession.

Unlike us, they are able to play on the counter attack at home because teams go to the sh***y ground and try and win. An average of around 30%possession would not be successful in any other division.

It looks poor but I guess it will fill up.

In the meantime they make sure that they pipe in plenty of noise.

NZ won the toss and put England in

I wish that the fans would take a more common sense approach on both sides of the argument.

The old saying goes, that you shouldn't get too high after a win or too low after a loss. On here that adage goes out of the window because the fans are so far away, at each end of the spectrum, a win or a loss is seen as amunition to use against the opposing view, making this forum almost unreadable at times.

Try and remember, it's just three points at stake, no more no less, and we should know more than most after what we've been through,  that its far more fun supporting a harmonious club, than a divided one.

Just now, Marriot Ram99 said:

Just grates that people start acting like everything is fine and dandy and people are deluded to criticising Warne after a win when there's still massive room for improvement, this is league 1 and top 6 is the minimum expectation. I'm just keeping my eyes focused on the bigger picture. It's ridiculous that people have to polarise things we have massive work to do to get to the levels we need still.

But things sometimes take time and we are only 10 games in.

Many of us haven't been jumping off cliffs, not because we love everything about Paul Warne but because we accept that things aren't always perfect from day 1, despite some others demanding that it should be.

Just looking forward, staggeringly Cheltenham haven't scored a league goal this season. 

Could we really string a couple of wins together, make it unbeaten in 5 games with 11 points from 15.

Crickey we really are close to crisis point!

Surely there's nothing to moan about tonight.

Oh hang on, there's always Paul Warne, maybe he stood in the wrong place when making some of the substitutions, or had a really ugly water bottle.

God Paul Warne, eh, can't understand how he keeps his job

"Look at his face, just look at his face"

The first proper diver in English football but what a player. Dispite all of the brilliant things he did for the Rams, most of us will remember him best for disproving the myth that Norman Hunter was a hard man.

Let's not put all the blame on Paul Jewell, the poison dwarf, Billy 'f***in' Davies, set the whole s**t show on the road. He bought Claude Davies and Eddie Lewis, among others, before a ball had been kicked.

Is there nothing Rams fans won't moan about.

A win today so we have 3 pages moaning about a commentator that wasn't actually commentating. 

Coming up with new and inventive things to criticise should be considered our specialist subject.

My biggest concern about the impending ban on petrol cars is the cost and risk in the second hand market.

The vast majority of people can't afford new cars and I think that the used car market will inevitably be a lot higher than the current cars on offer.

What? Nobody slagging him off yet? Come on guys, this just won't do!

1 hour ago, Stive Pesley said:

OK - so how about the way he apparently didn't spot that Kirchner was a total phony, despite working very closely with him on the deal?

 

And to be 100% clear AGAIN - I'm not criticising him for making mistakes.

I'm criticising him for not holding his hands up and being honest about that. 

Those defending him - would you prefer the CEO of our club

a) admit he made some mistakes, but has learned from it or

b) continued to avoid all scrutiny ?

You mean, scrutiny by the fans.

I prefer c) if David Clowes is happy for him to continue, having scrutinised his role in the Mel Morris era, then I'm more than happy.

Are we so unhappy at this club that we have find problems with everything. Warnes rubbish, the players are rubbish, the recruitment team are rubbish, the CEO is rubbish and on we go, when is this disharmony ever going to stop?

1 minute ago, YorkshireRam said:

 

I just find it strange that with little to no information or context we have on the matter, so many are backing him at this point, even though he was literally Mel's right-hand man...

 

But people aren't backing him.

Personally I'm backing David Clowes, who has taken a decision to keep him on, and he knows a lot more about the situation than all of us on here put together.

Surely it's even more strange that with, as you say, little to no information or context, people are condemning him.